Matt Walsh asks trans activist 'what is a woman'..

[sacredfeminina]

Stumbled accross this on twitter. Matt Walsh, an American political commentator is on a chat show and confronts transactivist to define a woman and tells him that he is appropriating womanhood.

Then after being told that he has 'traumatised' the activists... He provides this response!!

Wow. He says sh*t straight.... Haha!

Talkshow:

Response:
twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1484268313815441418?s=20

My thoughts are Walsh is wrong about abortion.

Now will you finally, ever give your thoughts about what he said on the Dr Phil clips you’ve been given links to?

Thoughts?

1. I disagree with him about abortion.

2. I agree with him about trans ideology.

And obv girls are raped in bogs at school all the time. And schools cover up. Here for sure. Hard to believe girls not attacked by boys in school toilets in USA.

That's on your radar I imagine.

Here seems to have dropped off news again which is shitty. I might see if can find what's happening.

@CheeseMmmm

So you don't mind that farming this stuff helps to convince vulnerable children with trans IDs that they are in danger, everyone hates them, their parents will hate them if they tell. To trust trans family online?

I've misread that surely? Can you clarify?

Oh and my last post re child rape abortion.
Your views.

Of course I mind, but I am not responsible for it and I won’t keep silent and curtail my freedom of speech, and avoid agreeing with the “wrong” people, and fall victim to purity spirals because of the actions of others. I am not to blame for it, if you have an issue with those lies being told, take it up with the liars, don’t ask me or anyone else to keep silent.

Thoughts on what Walsh said? I’ve been asking for 6 pages now.

@NotBadConsidering

My thoughts are Walsh is wrong about abortion.

Now will you finally, ever give your thoughts about what he said on the Dr Phil clips you’ve been given links to?

Your thoughts are that he is wrong.

That's quite a mild reaction. My jaw dropped tbh.

I'm assuming you already knew his views though, you've said you know what about fair few times.

Whereas I've only just seen it, wasn't expecting that. Taken aback.
I googled because thought probably anti abortion full stop.
Wasn't expecting top hit, not just view but with example.

This is an example then of where you-

Look at whole person and views.
But not into that having any influence on certain views where you and he are same thinking.

I totally put my hands up.
I do admit that.
While I can and do read various politics papers, read differing views on SM etc. And obv did watch OP clip (eventually, he was vv weak imo). And gave couple links here from definitely not left things.
I am most definitely not interested in THE TRUTH from this bloke. Firstly because there is much much better, more interesting, UK based stuff all over the place. From people are aren't... What this man is

Agreement on one point is not wholesale endorsement.
Agreement on one point is not standing up for all other points.

It’s really simple.

MW is right on this on issue and if it’s snowing I’ll shovel snow with him, even if we are shovelling snow for different reasons.

'but I am not responsible for it'

Ohhhh that's a wriggle worthy of a politician!

Very good! First of your posts to impress me tbh.

I think then-

You know his views.
You agree with him on trans views.
You feel he is really good persuasive etc on trans topic.
However, you think he's wrong on abortion.

Given that you personally aren't responsible for 'it'.
(Not sure 'it' is my point about school attack resulting in pregnancy, or vulnerable trans children and adults being told constantly they are in danger etc. Or both).

Then you believe that you have no reason to think about, consider, have essentially any interest in, definitely not talk about, anything about him other than this issue.

You agree with him on this, and that's all that matters to you.

Your thoughts are that he is wrong. That's quite a mild reaction. My jaw dropped tbh

It’s not a mild reaction, nor is it a strong reaction. It’s my opinion he is wrong. I’m not interested in expressing how vehemently I disagree with him on abortion because this thread is about his views on gender ideology.

I'm assuming you already knew his views though, you've said you know what about fair few times.

Correct, I already knew this, which is why I’m not interested in discussing it in a thread that isn’t about that.

This is an example then of where you-

Look at whole person and views. But not into that having any influence on certain views where you and he are same thinking.

Precisely. Walsh’s views on abortion have no influence on my own views and no influence on my views on what he said about gender ideology and the Loudoun rape cases on Dr Phil.

I am most definitely not interested in THE TRUTH from this bloke. Firstly because there is much much better, more interesting, UK based stuff all over the place. From people are aren't... What this man is

You are repeating nonsense about how you don’t think he’s influential, despite it being pointed out to you about how much of an influence he has, the TV show has, and the USA has generally in the UK, and at the same time you are terrified of right wing US Christian Right influencing opinion here.

But ignoring all that, we finally have your answer: you are not prepared to acknowledge the fact he speaks THE TRUTH, as you capitalised, because he doesn’t pass your purity test and/or your influence test.

It only took 7 pages for you to admit you are close-minded and intolerant.

'Agreement on one point is not wholesale endorsement.
Agreement on one point is not standing up for all other points.'

Yeeesssss. There's a limit though. Even on this thread, when I pointed out that others have same opinion MW on trans people. And realistically for reasons that are based in same beliefs.

I said so you agree with them. And certainly no one said yes. Can't remember if any reasons given was ages ago.

This Maxim, on this thread. Definitely not 'owned'. Others expected to do it but won't put money where mouth is.

@CheeseMmmm

'but I am not responsible for it'

Ohhhh that's a wriggle worthy of a politician!

Very good! First of your posts to impress me tbh.

I think then-

You know his views.
You agree with him on trans views.
You feel he is really good persuasive etc on trans topic.
However, you think he's wrong on abortion.

Given that you personally aren't responsible for 'it'.
(Not sure 'it' is my point about school attack resulting in pregnancy, or vulnerable trans children and adults being told constantly they are in danger etc. Or both).

Then you believe that you have no reason to think about, consider, have essentially any interest in, definitely not talk about, anything about him other than this issue.

You agree with him on this, and that's all that matters to you.

You know his views. You agree with him on trans views. You feel he is really good persuasive etc on trans topic. However, you think he's wrong on abortion.

Correct. And funnily enough, I haven’t started wearing a white hood and shouting “baby killers!” outside abortion clinics.

Given that you personally aren't responsible for 'it'. (Not sure 'it' is my point about school attack resulting in pregnancy, or vulnerable trans children and adults being told constantly they are in danger etc. Or both).

The “it” is people taking words and agreement from supporters of women’s rights and twisting them to make out we are far right fundamentalists and using that to target vulnerable trans people with fear. I explained that. I am not responsible for this, they are. I will not curtail my beliefs lest they be misused by these people.

Then you believe that you have no reason to think about, consider, have essentially any interest in, definitely not talk about, anything about him other than this issue.

I have thought about, considered, and have an interest in him other than this issue and I don’t agree with him on many things.

You agree with him on this, and that's all that matters to you.

It’s all that matters in a discussion about gender ideology, yes. Which is what this is.

OTOH what I've gleaned through our conversation notbad. Let me know if I go wrong.

• The fact this man, as per tweet above about 12yo rape victim has to have baby or will continue being raped by her dad. Very visceral tweet.

• That he obviously, in the school toilets attacks. If one of the girls was made pregnant due to the sexual violence. Would strongly believe she should carry and give birth to the rapists baby.

• This point is not relevant to your.. how to put it. Determined pushing him as vv good on trans things.

Because you think he's wrong on abortion so what's that got to do with anything. Things unrelated. ---

• My point about recent farming for MN screenshots, used to 'prove' that MN FWR boards all women are fundamentalist Christian far right politics USA style.

-That stuff goes into the pot of things used to constantly induce fear in vulnerable trans children and adults. That they are in danger etc only trans family online can be trusted. All that despicable stuff that leads to massive harm.

• Your reaction to that point was 'I don't give a shit'

- Your reaction to that point was 'I don't give a shit'

No, I don’t give a shit if I’m accused of being a far right Christian by a screen-shotting trans activist.

This point is not relevant to your.. how to put it. Determined pushing him as vv good on trans things. Because you think he's wrong on abortion so what's that got to do with anything. Things unrelated

What I have wanted you to answer is why what he says on abortion is relevant to whether what he says about trans ideology in the specific example you’ve been given. Is he right or wrong with what he says in this example? You took ages to answer but finally did, and your answer is that it’s relevant because he isn’t pure enough or relevant enough to even consider if he’s right on Loudoun or not. In my view, this makes you intolerant.

My point about recent farming for MN screenshots, used to 'prove' that MN FWR boards all women are fundamentalist Christian far right politics USA style.-That stuff goes into the pot of things used to constantly induce fear in vulnerable trans children and adults. That they are in danger etc only trans family online can be trusted. All that despicable stuff that leads to massive harm. Your reaction to that point was 'I don't give a shit'

I have explained this twice now, you’re being rude in deliberately twisting my words. I said that I care about that happening, but it’s not me farming screenshots, it’s not me telling lies to vulnerable trans people about right wing fundamentalist links, and it’s not me causing harm to vulnerable trans people. That harm is done by those who tell those lies. The imperative lies with those spreading the false rumours and perpetuating that harm, not with me to make sure I don’t say anything that a TRA troll or screenshotter could use in their propaganda war. I will not curtail the expression of my beliefs out of fear of how it may be misused.

As I have said, if you have an issue with that happening, take it with the TRAs who are doing it, don’t ask me or anyone else to keep our valid opinions to ourselves in case it doesn’t fit your or their purity narrative.

'The “it” is people taking words and agreement from supporters of women’s rights and twisting them to make out we are far right fundamentalists and using that to target vulnerable trans people with fear. I explained that. I am not responsible for this, '

You've been posting for what most of thread.

Essentially saying if you won't watch, won't put in writing, won't accept that this fella vv fab on this. Then you're stuff like. Can't remember. Purity spirals came up. Closed minded? I seem to remember something about waiting for a left wing saviour. A lot of insisting it's brilliant must watch.

So I watched as per badgering. Thoughts repeated end of thread.

* You don't think that a thread.
That will have been the first time some/ many posters heard of him.
Pressing how great he is persuasive.
Excellent to follow on this.
Vv impactful.
Good for changing views on topic.
He's done amazing things.
Really cares.
His thought process remarkably in accord with feminists!

Etc etc.

You don't see that as even slightly relevant when it comes to farming for screenshots?

'supporters of women’s rights and twisting them to make out we are far right fundamentalists '

He IS a far right fundamentalist!
He is NOT a supporter of women's rights!

No twisting required plenty posts. Including ones you've written throughout Insisting that he's totally brilliant on trans things!
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My thoughts on the OP clip.

(And no I'm not sodding watching the other clips you've posted and are now saying if I don't watch THEM I'm proving myself to be... All the things you've said through thread.)

• Why this flagged on a site as everyone look here's brilliant bloke! (No mention of who he is which would have been handy in OP).

• Who is he? Who is Dr Phil? Why would this be more impactful UK people than things with people well known here? Politicians, grilling on politics progs etc.

-Plus he's vv poor. Nothing new. Lost control of conversation pretty much immediately. Missed obvious opportunities to get those talking to in a pickle.

• Insisting that he's so good that lefties will be enlightened. When they say, who is he etc. And you say anti abortion anti homosexuality. Misogynist etc.

That won't make any difference to them. Because he's that good. If they do. Hopeless clueless etc.

Essentially saying if you won't watch, won't put in writing, won't accept that this fella vv fab on this

No one has asked you directly if you think he’s “fab” just whether he is right or wrong.

You don't see that as even slightly relevant when it comes to farming for screenshots?

I think that people should not live in fear of posting what they want to say in agreement with something because of farming of screenshots. We are not responsible for the screenshots, we are not responsible for their misuse. You’re effectively advocating self censorship in case people deliberately misuse a post out of context. It’s a form of victim blaming. “Well if you hadn’t posted your perfectly reasonable agreement then that TRA wouldn’t have screenshot it and used it to perpetuate lies. It’s your fault!” No. No thank you.

No twisting required plenty posts. Including ones you've written throughout Insisting that he's totally brilliant on trans things!

You’re the only one who cares about this. Everyone else has moved on. We know that our posts will be taken out of context, cropped, used against us, no matter what we do or how carefully we tread or how little bigotry we show. These people have an agenda they are sticking to. Have you noticed they never link the thread itself?

I am not responsible nor will not be made to feel guilty for the opinions I express, not by you nor by a TRA screenshotting it for their followers. You’re no different to them; you want us to watch what we say.

And no I'm not sodding watching the other clips you've posted and are now saying if I don't watch THEM I'm proving myself to be... All the things you've said through thread.

And again with your intolerance and bigotry, dismissal of his words based on your preconceived ideas. You won’t even watch the clip of him bringing up the Loudoun rape cases?

Why this flagged on a site as everyone look here's brilliant bloke!

More lies. No one has said he’s a brilliant bloke, he has just been praised for what he said. Are you unable to distinguish between the two or are you determined not to accept that this is possible?

Who is he? Who is Dr Phil? Why would this be more impactful UK people than things with people well known here?

This has been explained multiple times, both he and Dr Phil and the tv show are hugely influential, as is US culture on the rest of the world. It’s tiresome to have to go over this again.

Plus he's vv poor. Nothing new. Lost control of conversation pretty much immediately. Missed obvious opportunities to get those talking to in a pickle.

So NOW you’re saying he wasn’t very good because he let the trans people talk?! The mind boggles.

Insisting that he's so good that lefties will be enlightened. When they say, who is he etc. And you say anti abortion anti homosexuality. Misogynist etc. That won't make any difference to them. Because he's that good. If they do. Hopeless clueless etc.

This makes zero sense Cheese. Rather than using etc repeatedly, why don’t you form the argument coherently before typing?

Sorry need to catch up s bit. This caught my attention though.

Me: 'I'm assuming you already knew his views though, you've said you know what about fair few times.
You: Correct, I already knew this, which is why I’m not interested in discussing it in a thread that isn’t about that.'

**You knew that he was against rape in any circs. And I assume aware of his Twitter comments like the one above. Which shows a staggering absence of any empathy at all for girls who are 12 and being sexually abused at home by their father. And on top of that, become pregnant from the rape. You don't see girls being raped as to do with this thread? You've brought it up multiple times.

'... Precisely. Walsh’s views on abortion have no influence on my own views and no influence on my views on what he said about gender ideology and the Loudoun rape cases on Dr Phil.'

I'll be honest here. I cannot understand how you can reconcile your vvv high opinion of MW on trans things.
While knowing that he is against rape in any circs.
Meaning obviously that if one girl Loudoun was pregnant as result of the sexual violence.
That the man you have been cheerleading all through thread.
Vv strongly believes she should carry birth baby. Be exposed to risks of MH problems, risk of long term physical injury. Have to make fundamental decisions that whatever do will impact whole life. Her friend school will know won't they. Who the dad. Etc etc.

**
And of course in case of life threatening situation need termination. He would have her die*
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'You knew that he was against rape'

Should say abortion not rape. Sorry about that.

@CheeseMmmm

'The “it” is people taking words and agreement from supporters of women’s rights and twisting them to make out we are far right fundamentalists and using that to target vulnerable trans people with fear. I explained that. I am not responsible for this, '

You've been posting for what most of thread.

Essentially saying if you won't watch, won't put in writing, won't accept that this fella vv fab on this. Then you're stuff like. Can't remember. Purity spirals came up. Closed minded? I seem to remember something about waiting for a left wing saviour. A lot of insisting it's brilliant must watch.

So I watched as per badgering. Thoughts repeated end of thread.

* You don't think that a thread.
That will have been the first time some/ many posters heard of him.
Pressing how great he is persuasive.
Excellent to follow on this.
Vv impactful.
Good for changing views on topic.
He's done amazing things.
Really cares.
His thought process remarkably in accord with feminists!

Etc etc.

You don't see that as even slightly relevant when it comes to farming for screenshots?

'supporters of women’s rights and twisting them to make out we are far right fundamentalists '

He IS a far right fundamentalist!
He is NOT a supporter of women's rights!

No twisting required plenty posts. Including ones you've written throughout Insisting that he's totally brilliant on trans things!
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My thoughts on the OP clip.

(And no I'm not sodding watching the other clips you've posted and are now saying if I don't watch THEM I'm proving myself to be... All the things you've said through thread.)

• Why this flagged on a site as everyone look here's brilliant bloke! (No mention of who he is which would have been handy in OP).

• Who is he? Who is Dr Phil? Why would this be more impactful UK people than things with people well known here? Politicians, grilling on politics progs etc.

-Plus he's vv poor. Nothing new. Lost control of conversation pretty much immediately. Missed obvious opportunities to get those talking to in a pickle.

• Insisting that he's so good that lefties will be enlightened. When they say, who is he etc. And you say anti abortion anti homosexuality. Misogynist etc.

That won't make any difference to them. Because he's that good. If they do. Hopeless clueless etc.

None of this is relevant to this thread / the OP.

Young girl gets raped.

TRAs - Nothing to see here.
Media - Nothing to report here.

Dad of young girl loses his shit.

TRAs - Ooo look a bigot.
Media - Transphobia is rampant and very dangerous.

MW - Wtf. That’s not the story. The story is a young girl got raped and it’s because of TRA being A for Activist for self ID.

MN - Thank fuck for MW talking about this well and to a huge audience who until now believed what they’d read was all there was too it and it was all ok because it was consensual sex anyway and the dad is a massive bigot.

TL:DR thanks for all the blinding sunshine, I don’t care who opened the curtains.

Couple questions. I assume you'll refuse to answer on basis I said this or not that.

Anyway.

• Given that vile tweet. And I'm sure if look will find plenty more to see how far his views go and I'm guessing v far.

Please can you explain your view of him as someone who really cares about women and girls? About risk to them, sexual violence towards them.
What's the thought process you step through. To believe he's a champion for women's rights. Given his track record of misogynistic comments. Or even. Just how you reconcile that tweet about CSA with your perception of him as, you alluded to him being feminist in his thinking earlier I'm sure.

cheese you’ve made it clear that you can’t understand how people can support MW in his trans views and not support him in his abortion views.

However, others are able to do that. Screeds of text berating his beliefs on other topics aren’t going to change our mind with how he approaches this issue.

I know you think he’s bad and not a good advocate for this important topic, but while you wait for the perfect person to come along trans ideology continues to harm women and girls.

Why don’t you start a thread discussing his daily abhorrent views on abortion? Few would disagree with you there

Other question.

Given there are stacks of (better) vids articles etc on sex> gender, risk etc.

Why are you so keen on him? He's obviously incredibly divisive. Views that over here are seen as vv extreme.

You've consistently sung his praises and said anyone who isn't interested in his views on trans is various things meant to cause a denial reaction.

Why not someone who isn't like that.
Esp for UK even if USA those views more mainstream.
?

I'll be honest here. I cannot understand how you can reconcile your vvv high opinion of MW on trans things.

Yes, you have made it very clear you do not understand, nor have the ability to comprehend the far from radical notion that people can agree on one thing but not another. I really can’t help you there.

'cheese you’ve made it clear that you can’t understand how people can support MW in his trans views and not support him in his abortion views.'

IGNORE.
Not agree with.
IGNORE.

Different. Fyi you've been doing this all through thread. Didn't say anything as assumed just to do with being v passionate about thread and posts.

Just FYI it's quite a lot now so keep an eye out for that please.

I think he's 'bad'
I'm not 10 lol. I have much better words than that!

'Screeds of text berating his beliefs on other topics aren’t going to change our mind with how he approaches this issue.'

Who do you mean by 'our'. Change OUR mind'. Who do you mean?

Cheese this isn’t a threat about MW’s abortion views. It’s a thread about his recent appearance on Dr Phil. You are wanting this thread to segue into another topic and are getting pissed off that people don’t want to.

Why don’t you start a thread about MW and is abortion views?