Girl Guides: Nottingham - senders of objection emails referred to Police

[mammajustkilledagnat]

Anyone else seen this on Twitter? I mean, what the bloody hell?

twitter.com/MDayCassandra/status/1483731590232657922

"Raising a safeguarding concern would be quietly contacting Girl Guides letting them know about what you've seen and allowing them to use their internal policies to respond in the way they deem appropriate."

That's precisely what happened in at least one of the cases this thread is about.

Monica was already a Scout Leader when Girl Guiding made the appointment - still is as far as I know. Monica has posted photos posing in a Scout Leader uniform (minus guns, whips, etc.)

Was Monica Monica IYSWIM when Monica was a Scout Leader? Interesting if, when a Scout Leader, Monica did not post in BDSM outfit or with replica guns etc.

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

Monica was already a Scout Leader when Girl Guiding made the appointment - still is as far as I know. Monica has posted photos posing in a Scout Leader uniform (minus guns, whips, etc.)

Was Monica Monica IYSWIM when Monica was a Scout Leader? Interesting if, when a Scout Leader, Monica did not post in BDSM outfit or with replica guns etc.

Nottinghamshire Boy Scouts, County Advisor - Inclusion.

Guess who?

notts-scouts.org.uk/about-us/meet-the-team/

This is a Scout uniform Monica is wearing in the Daily Mail photo, isn't it?

(Not the photo with the whip or the gun, obviously!)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10235539/Girlguides-launch-probe-trans-Commissioner-58-saucy-dominatrix-style-picture.html

There is some sort of badge or logo on Monica's jumper in the photo with the gun here but I can't work out what it is:

4w.pub/police-contacts-women-girlguiding/

BTW whether you look on the national Scouts website or a local one the impression given by the photos and videos is that there are more girls than boys in the Scouts these days.

There is some sort of badge or logo on Monica's jumper in the photo with the gun here but I can't work out what it is

Is that their bus driver uniform?

Putting it in social media for all and sundry to see while obviously either being completely oblivious to the safeguarding issues despite training, or quite intentionally breaching them - it has to be one or the other, doesn't it? - while being in a leadership position with a safeguarding responsibility?

Is a whacking great enormous safeguarding concern with major questions about fitness for role.

Which, apparently, is 'hateful' to notice or point out. Just let it all happen quietly ffs. It's only children.

Anyone else in those photos and they would be taken aside, reprimanded or sacked.

@FeministStickerWoman

There is some sort of badge or logo on Monica's jumper in the photo with the gun here but I can't work out what it is

Is that their bus driver uniform?

That's a possibility that I didn't consider!

Worn with a Boy Scouts scarf though. It's not one on sale in the Scouts Shop but when I looked on the Scouts website there were lots of people wearing the same scarf. They can't all be bus drivers

That does look like a Scouts logo patch on the left breast pocket too.

The picture showing a fawn shirt with necker is scout uniform.
The black or dark navy jumper is a work uniform perhaps, there is a green lanyard.

To be honest, whether they are wearing scout, guide or work uniform isn't really the point.
As someone in charge of young people or children, their private activities should be private. Inappropriate behaviour should not be there in public for anyone to find.
Girlguiding has a strict social media policy , linked to earlier in the thread, which make it clear that these photos break Girlguiding's rules.

Other leaders would have- and have been- removed from their positions for breach's of those rules.
Although that was because they questioned Girlguiding's safeguarding policy, rather than going against the safeguarding policy.

averylongtimeago - you might have missed an earlier conversation in this thread. The original reason I posted those photos was in response to this conversation, which was to do with whether Monica had been or was still involved with the Scouts.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria

Though, the titillation, guns, and ill fitting fetish wear don't exactly help the "don't worry, I'm one of the good ones" vibe that a man who was genuinely enthusiastic about girls getting to enjoy Guiding might radiate.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

Slight tangent. I'd be deeply concerned if a man were doing this for Scouts, Junior or Sea Cadets, or similar. tbh, I'd be worried if this were a football, swimming, or other coach for children.

Bosky

Monica was already a Scout Leader when Girl Guiding made the appointment - still is as far as I know. Monica has posted photos posing in a Scout Leader uniform (minus guns, whips, etc.)

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

Was Monica Monica IYSWIM when Monica was a Scout Leader? Interesting if, when a Scout Leader, Monica did not post in BDSM outfit or with replica guns etc.

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I am also sure that I recall reading somewhere that Girl Guiding had explained that one of the reasons they invited Monica to get involved with Girl Guiding was the existing involvement with the Scouts.

Girl Guiding has taken all the flack about Monica but the Scouts should surely be concerned too?

Young People First

Our code of practice (also known as the Yellow card) sets out guidance for all adults in Scouts

Extracts

Do remember that you are a role model at ALL times, inside and outside Scouting. Set a good example for others to follow.

Do encourage an open and transparent culture, where people can challenge inappropriate attitudes or behaviours

Do not use inappropriate, suggestive or threatening language, whether verbal, written or online

Do not rely on your reputation or position to protect you

www.scouts.org.uk/volunteers/staying-safe-and-safeguarding/safe-scouting-cards/young-people-first-yellow-card/

For the Scouts, this applies to both boys and girls:

Do remember that you are a role model at ALL times, inside and outside Scouting. Set a good example for others to follow.

Bosky I'm sure I have read that Sully was also a scout leader- but I can't find the link now. The uniform and necker, especially with the purple logo, are scouter's uniform so suggests they were and possibly still are.
The scouts also have pretty strict policies, so yes, they should also be investigating.

I wonder does Sully count as a female leader with scouts. Scout rules say that if there is a mixed sex group of kids there has to be at least one male and one female leader.

That would be an interesting safeguarding rule to check.

@averylongtimeago

Bosky I'm sure I have read that Sully was also a scout leader- but I can't find the link now. The uniform and necker, especially with the purple logo, are scouter's uniform so suggests they were and possibly still are. The scouts also have pretty strict policies, so yes, they should also be investigating.

I posted this upthread

notts-scouts.org.uk/about-us/meet-the-team/

Bosky:
Extracts

Do remember that you are a role model at ALL times, inside and outside Scouting. Set a good example for others to follow.

Do encourage an open and transparent culture, where people can challenge inappropriate attitudes or behaviours

Do not use inappropriate, suggestive or threatening language, whether verbal, written or online

Do not rely on your reputation or position to protect you

www.scouts.org.uk/volunteers/staying-safe-and-safeguarding/safe-scouting-cards/young-people-first-yellow-card/

What a clear simple policy. Shame they're not enforcing it if you happen to be a member of the most protected, yet believing themselves to be the most victimised, sub-group of society.

Article on the woman questioned by police.

thecritic.co.uk/misguided-or-misgendered/

The police officer who questioned her didn’t have the email with him, she says. He asked her if she had sent the email directly to Sulley, which she didn’t — though she now suspects that her email had been passed on to Sulley.

Is that allowed?

Boksy
*That's a possibility that I didn't consider!
Worn with a Boy Scouts scarf though. It's not one on sale in the Scouts Shop but when I looked on the Scouts website there were lots of people wearing the same scarf. They can't all be bus drivers grin
That does look like a Scouts logo patch on the left breast pocket too.

Sorry I thought you were asking about one of the other pictures. The picture you’ve shown is a scout uniform. Every group has their own design of necker so you won’t see them in the general scout shops.

@yourhairiswinterfire

Article on the woman questioned by police.

thecritic.co.uk/misguided-or-misgendered/

The police officer who questioned her didn’t have the email with him, she says. He asked her if she had sent the email directly to Sulley, which she didn’t — though she now suspects that her email had been passed on to Sulley.

Is that allowed?

Every woman who passed a safeguarding concern should put a Subject Access Request (SAR) into the same place they sent their concern asking what info is held on them, including who has been provided with the details of their complaint with any of their identifying information including email address

One problem with putting in a SAR to GG is that she'd be handing over her postal address and forms of ID to an organisation that seems to have already leaked her safeguarding email to the subject of the complaint.

Is that allowed?

Not if it contained any personal data. I don't see how that s in any way compliant with data protection law.

@BaronMunchausen

One problem with putting in a SAR to GG is that she'd be handing over her postal address and forms of ID to an organisation that seems to have already leaked her safeguarding email to the subject of the complaint.

True, depressing to realise cant trust GG not to doxx you to potentially violent* activists for raising safeguarding concerns

*Not suggesting Sulley is violent obviously just keen on guns, whips & swords but many trans activists have made violent threats to women voicing concerns

@FeministStickerWoman

Boksy *That's a possibility that I didn't consider! Worn with a Boy Scouts scarf though. It's not one on sale in the Scouts Shop but when I looked on the Scouts website there were lots of people wearing the same scarf. They can't all be bus drivers grin That does look like a Scouts logo patch on the left breast pocket too.

Sorry I thought you were asking about one of the other pictures. The picture you’ve shown is a scout uniform. Every group has their own design of necker so you won’t see them in the general scout shops.

My apologies FeministStickerWoman !

With all the different photos of uniforms I got confused!

You are right, I WAS asking about one of the other photos, ie. the one where Monica is wearing a uniform with a skirt and carrying a gun, which you suggested might be a bus driver's uniform.

"There is some sort of badge or logo on Monica's jumper in the photo with the gun here but I can't work out what it is:

4w.pub/police-contacts-women-girlguiding/

As I replied previously, "That's a possibility that I didn't consider!"

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More photos of uniforms.

I can't recall if I posted a link to this gaslighting propaganda piece already, where Monica is referred to as a bus driver, Scout Leader, "mother of two", etc. but readers are, sadly, not alerted to Monica's trans status, which is left tragically uncelebrated on International Women's Day 2021.

In one of the photos, Monica is pictured wearing a scout uniform.

In another, wearing a short-sleeved blue blouse with some sort of uniform neckerchief.

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Re @Clymene ‘s post on page 7.

Yep - still there. They launched an internal enquiry in November but given that those were launched in the NUS when Jess Bradley was posting cock shots in the office and the NSPCC when James Makings posted about wanking at work in his rubber fetish gear and no outcomes or reports were ever published, I expect this enquiry to go the same way. Sulley will quietly go away and nothing will change.

Looking through the names on the link, I can’t see any link to a Monica, whether going by Sulley or Taylor. Am I missing something, or has Clymene’s prediction that Sulley would quietly be dropped been proven correct?

www.girlguidingnottinghamshire.org.uk/who-we-are/meet-the-team/

[quote TheCurrywurstPrion]Re @Clymene ‘s post on page 7.

Yep - still there. They launched an internal enquiry in November but given that those were launched in the NUS when Jess Bradley was posting cock shots in the office and the NSPCC when James Makings posted about wanking at work in his rubber fetish gear and no outcomes or reports were ever published, I expect this enquiry to go the same way. Sulley will quietly go away and nothing will change.

Looking through the names on the link, I can’t see any link to a Monica, whether going by Sulley or Taylor. Am I missing something, or has Clymene’s prediction that Sulley would quietly be dropped been proven correct?

www.girlguidingnottinghamshire.org.uk/who-we-are/meet-the-team/[/quote]
Well spotted! No name given now for Southwell Division Commissioner.

The most recent archives are for November 2021 so no idea when the page was changed.

MS's name was still listed on the webpage in early January when I wrote to GG to enquire about the outcome of the investigation (and got a "it's private, we won't give out any further information" dismissal).