The Call Is Coming From Inside The House - short film

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The title comes from A Stranger Calls and what follows is something that should be watched by every secondary school teacher, therapist, Dr and politician.

It's a short film - 40 mins - a compilation really of TikTok videos and other clips which show how gripped these young people are and what can happen to them.

One quote I will probably miss quote

"Mentally ill people need to know what is real."

I'm sharing because it's really powerful in a truly terrifying way.

@Whatthechicken

That was chilling.

@FOJN I agree with you, I’ve seen that look before on a child in a documentary whose parents claimed they were trans (can’t remember what it’s called now), but the child looked to be reacting how the adults expected them to react, not genuinely.

Agree it’s one to send to MPs, the conversion therapy bill consultations ends early Feb doesn’t it?

Yes, 4th Feb before midnight for conversion therapy ban consultation submissions.

A useful resource to share with the panel reviewing it, if they bother to watch it of course. I might pull quotes from it if o have the time. 40mins might be too much of an ask.

Pulling quotes might be a good idea, Jesus.

I agree that I'm not sure if busy people will take tiem to watch a video and may prefer a short written letter. And also agree with Yet that the rpesentation of it makes for an interesting watch but may not be quite the right register for comms with politicians.

I still prefer Stella O'Malley's documentary.

That was a difficult watch. These things normally make me angry, but that made me profoundly upset.

The doctor Crane who said he's never had a single person express regret, whilst simultaneously being sued by five individuals.

Scott Nugent asserting that over the course of their life, the surgery and hormones will cost about $1.4m.

And yes, the young man at the end, voice cracking as he told the therapists that he knows he's deluded, so why the fuck don't they?

Thank God we have a national health service, which I'm hoping would be subject to stringent and public accountability for the mass treatments that are so heavily pushed elsewhere.

These children are so obviously deluded, in terrible pain and unutterably vulnerable, it's painful to watch.

From the ones in the beginning demanding attention in their clown make up, to the ones at the end with scars and dead eyes.

All these butchered, hopeless children, who know they have been sold a lie.

And it was all preventable.

If people are dipping in and out, I highly recommend you do get to the end, though. And yes, there are harrowing surgery parts, but they're not the worst I've seen.

And let's not forget, that Sturgeon is busy enforcing a law that says children can socially transition without their parents knowledge or consent. A move which is the biggest indicator of further transition.

@Datun

And let's not forget, that Sturgeon is busy enforcing a law that says children can socially transition without their parents knowledge or consent. A move which is the biggest indicator of further transition.

And 'Children In Scotland' argue that gender transition should be allowed from age 12, no waiting period, no questions.

Someone please show this film to Sturgeon. Maybe we need it broadcast onto their computers in some kind of systems takeover! It should be compulsory viewing.

I'm aghast at the plans to allow 12 year olds in Scotland to be able to do 'transition' without parental consent. I think it was noted in the film that USA children can do this on their parents medical insurance without their knowledge either. It doesn't take much to see who benefits, who profits, and it isn't the children, clearly.

(I'm still going through Cluniac's videos and he said he never used a ladies toilet even when he was 'transitioning'. My respect for this clever young man is growing each video.)

@SirVixofVixHall

Yes that. I found hearing him so upsetting. The longing for someone to just be honest with him. Two daughters of friends are in this process, one has had her breasts removed, at17, the other has changed her name and is shifting towards wanting to be a boy. She is 13.

May I ask you - what do your friends say/think? Because my first reaction when seeing these videos is to wonder what the hell is going on with their parents.

(Note - my son is only 10yo, so I have no experience of teenagers yet)

Throughout history people have harmed children (girls in particular) when social pressure says its the right thing to do for the child. Foot binding. FGM.

This is the latest iteration. History repeats.

Yes that. I found hearing him so upsetting. The longing for someone to just be honest with him

Yes I agree. And his desperate need for them to acknowledge they had failed him. And the damage that failure had inflicted upon.

He needed what we all know he needed. A proper person-centred therapist who could have explored his feelings, explored the reasons for him, and explored options for managing those feelings.

Every person expressing discomfort with their sex or gender should get that. How can that be controversial?

I am so angry with all the idiot politicians who are too thick, lazy, cowardly, cynical or vote grubbing, to take a good hard look at all this.

[quote IamAporcupine]@SirVixofVixHall

Yes that. I found hearing him so upsetting. The longing for someone to just be honest with him. Two daughters of friends are in this process, one has had her breasts removed, at17, the other has changed her name and is shifting towards wanting to be a boy. She is 13.

May I ask you - what do your friends say/think? Because my first reaction when seeing these videos is to wonder what the hell is going on with their parents.

(Note - my son is only 10yo, so I have no experience of teenagers yet)[/quote]
One was very frightened that his daughter would commit suicide, she’d been self harming and had bad mental health generally. Personally i suspect autism and also that she may be a lesbian , (in a catholic country). It was incredibly sudden, she was put on cross sex hormones and then given a mastectomy within 12 months.
The other , another friend of DH, is a bit surprised by the whole thing, wants to support his child etc. I am not sure what tack he and his wife will take as it is early days.

@JeshusHChr

Yes that. I found hearing him so upsetting. The longing for someone to just be honest with him

Yes I agree. And his desperate need for them to acknowledge they had failed him. And the damage that failure had inflicted upon.

He needed what we all know he needed. A proper person-centred therapist who could have explored his feelings, explored the reasons for him, and explored options for managing those feelings.

Every person expressing discomfort with their sex or gender should get that. How can that be controversial?

I am so angry with all the idiot politicians who are too thick, lazy, cowardly, cynical or vote grubbing, to take a good hard look at all this.

I am angry too. I am furious over the absolute failure to step up and be the adults. From politicians, to the police, to teachers and therapists, doctors. All the people we were taught to respect growing up.

@QueenPeony

Jung who placed a lot of importance on the self as something you evolve and come to terms with through your life, becoming aware of how it’s formed and its parts.

Yes it is interesting isnt it!

I sat and thought about it last night, and again am thinking about it today.

Jung thought exploration of the self was one of the most important goals of life. He called that the awakening. But he recognised that the true self is in the unconscious.

I have seen friends try to explore their unconscious self - through ayahuasca mainly. And the problems this introspection has caused them is I think irreparable. Because in a sense they have not observed and tried to understand - come to acceptance (as Jung suggests); but have accidently added layers of consciousness into their unconscious and its become a mixed mess which is impossible to unmix - hence actually losing their true self for ever IYSWIM.

There are many parallels. Its hard to put into words tbh, but its all just swirling round in my head as it is fascinating.

He needed what we all know he needed. A proper person-centred therapist who could have explored his feelings, explored the reasons for him, and explored options for managing those feelings

I was struck by the concern of the therapist re being liked/hated. And refusal to acknowledge that yes he may well have hated her at the end of it but he'd be alive and fertile and in a healthy body.

What is with this need to be liked. Doing the right thing very often is very often not immediately rewarded with approval and appreciation. Respect etc is often a result of the long game. If you want instant gratification and to be their friend then you don't become a therapist. Because if it takes 10 years for some to realise you were right and that you were in their corner the whole time, then it takes 10 years.

"But hey… weren’t we told that asexual is a valid sexuality by one mature male transitioner on this board? As if it was a consolation prize for young transitioners.

And of course, being asexual is valid. But losing any capacity for sexual pleasure through transition should not be considered as someone’s entry into that sexuality."

I'm (genuinely) asexual and it really bothers me that we're being dragged into this mess. It's being appropriated in the same way as lots of other terms, just with the added misfortune that people don't know much about it to start with so they assume it's some weird neo-gender or 'trans' things.

What is with this need to be liked.

Yes it’s very odd for a therapist. I was looking at another forum where they were discussing therapists because someone had mentioned they were friends with their therapist and most posters were quite shocked and thought it was really unprofessional. And probably limits how much the therapy will help you.

My earlier comment was deleted, I wonder if it’s because I referred to all this as a see you last Tuesday.

I just played back that man talking to his therapist. It says he detransitioned and retransitioned TEN times in two years. Did none of those therapists consider that maybe after the second, third, fourth, fifth time, that maybe transitioning was not going to be the solution to this young man's problems? Even if you were an ideologically captured therapist (which she clearly is),. surely even then you could see that in this case it was not the answer?

What do these people need to make them reflect and rethink? And what business do you have being a therapist if you cannot reflect?

It's being appropriated in the same way as lots of other terms, just with the added misfortune that people don't know much about it to start with so they assume it's some weird neo-gender or 'trans' things

Asexuality was part of the defence fir the keira bell/puberty blockers case.

Its being dragged in and made more visibleexploited because it was used to justify leaving kids with no sexual function.

@WalkOnGildedSplinters

What is with this need to be liked.

Yes it’s very odd for a therapist. I was looking at another forum where they were discussing therapists because someone had mentioned they were friends with their therapist and most posters were quite shocked and thought it was really unprofessional. And probably limits how much the therapy will help you.

My earlier comment was deleted, I wonder if it’s because I referred to all this as a see you last Tuesday.

Yep, we're not allowed to make any parallels about last Tuesday.

Yep, we're not allowed to make any parallels about last Tuesday

I was going to dispute this, having read a recent thread about a YouTube video called "Is gender ideology a c*? by The State Media, but I find the whole thread has been deleted!

Would it be allowed to post a link to the video itself, without quoting from it or commenting on it?

I'm lost. What happened last Tuesday?

Don't answer that. Rhetorical question. I would prefer for this thread not to risk deletion. I'm sure the monitors are browsing as ever.

Unlikely, hallouminatus. I've found any references to that word at all are as combustible as petrol vapour.

I'm hours past my bedtime as I watched both the video and the therapist call.

Harrowing. Abuse of an entire generation of children.

The term social contagion needs to be used more frequently. "Delusional people need to be told what's real." Yes. Yes, they do.

Awful to watch. But this is the end game - thousands of insecure children and young adults, so caught up in an ideological nonsense that their sense of self in every sense of the word is missing. And that makes them vulnerable to the attention of the very men we used to keep far away from children and vulnerable adults - yet who now appear to be close to the centres of power and directly able to access and influence these children.

Awful to watch. But this is the end game - thousands of insecure children and young adults, so caught up in an ideological nonsense that their sense of self in every sense of the word is missing. And that makes them vulnerable to the attention of the very men we used to keep far away from children and vulnerable adults - yet who now appear to be close to the centres of power and directly able to access and influence these children

Not to mention it creates thousands of legal adults with the brains and bodies of pre pubescent children.