The Call Is Coming From Inside The House - short film

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The title comes from A Stranger Calls and what follows is something that should be watched by every secondary school teacher, therapist, Dr and politician.

It's a short film - 40 mins - a compilation really of TikTok videos and other clips which show how gripped these young people are and what can happen to them.

One quote I will probably miss quote

"Mentally ill people need to know what is real."

I'm sharing because it's really powerful in a truly terrifying way.

Have watched. Very sad. I have no words really.

I will just leave this...

“The greatest and most important problems of life are all fundamentally insoluble. They can never be solved but only outgrown.”

• Jung

It's a stunning and shocking film.

There were some concerns about Isaac last week, the young man at the end.

I'm not sure how he is now, it's very likely that he wants out of the spotlight. He's a young man horribly damaged by an abusive upbringing. Transition then triggered hashimotos which I believe he's really struggling with.

None of his therapists offered other solutions for him.

@unwashedanddazed

Was the gender therapist at the end being confronted Marcie Bowers? Anyone know? Bowers is a surgeon not a therapist. I assumed the person being confronted was a talk therapist. They are the ones affirming patients and writing letters to access surgery.

Thank you for posting the link OP. It's a powerful video. So difficult to understand the capture of institutions, govts, and the medical profession.

Ironically Bowers has recently conceded that ROGD transition is social contagion and there needs to be better gatekeeping as well as not using PB. Bowers' transitioned Jazz.

So interesting about Jung who placed a lot of importance on the self as something you evolve and come to terms with through your life, becoming aware of how it’s formed and its parts. Gender ideology and similarly with what’s happening with DID, autism and other labels are like the opposite of that. You find things to give you a constructed self / “identity” based on having lots of labels for people to admire you/give you attention for, and instead of being a person with those things, you are those identities, even if you’ve only arrived at them by social contagion. Even stepping outside this to ask “but am I really this or is there something else going on?” is seen as sacrilege and insulting, and laws are being enacted to stop therapists from helping people do that.

It must be appallingly hard to come to a place where you decide you are not trans and detransition, and not only do you have to let go of that identity which was seen as your whole self, you are also bullied and ostracised for it and lose support. These are some of the bravest people. And because that must take such courage, it makes me wonder how many others feel like this but don’t dare to admit it.

That is deeply, deeply shocking. I understand it as a social contagion but the narcissism is out of this world. Where does that come from?
Is it something wrong in our society that identity politics has latched onto or something that it's fuelling? Bit of both?

I.watched this yesterday. I've seem clips before that was heartbreaking enough. But all together it was almost more than I could take.

13 years old one of them and alloeed a mastectomy. 13. There is something seriously wrong with those drs who took children and very disturbed mentally ill and confused children and posed on Instagram and tik tok grinning away with buckets full of their HEALTHY breast tissue.

If a surgeon was filmed playing around with some patients leg s/he just had to amputate I'm sure s/he'd be hauled into the office surely?

The scars, Good god they were awful looked like a shark attack some.of them. They cannot have been performed properly.

An why the nipple removal? Why wasn't phantom pain considered as a possibility and the nipples left on?

None of them were even old enough to drink by the look of it. So a law will.protevt them.from being sold addictive and dangerous substances than could kill smaller teenage bodies with surprisingly little, but the law allowed then to remove their breasts ?

There are just no words.

Could anyone tell me, is there graphic content before I watch? I don't want to see scenes of surgery or horrific body images.

If seeing huge scars across the chests of young females is graphic, then there is a whole section of those.

I mean, they are harrowing to see. Very concerning.

And with drs seemingly so proud and happy to he doing all this and being paid for thr privilege. Where on earth is the inve time to do it properly the first time. When they can get paid for revisions and repairs on top. I mean once it's done it's done.it can't be undone..if its done badly they will have to have it fixed because you cant live with it alot of the time if it isn't.

Those young People were actually left disabled. For an unecessary, non life saving, non.emergent procedure.

There's a reason most invasive , long, tricky , complication riddled surgeries are done only if necessary. Because defecating into a bag or being unable to move your arm properly should be the last thing they ever want to risk on anyone

It's not the worst scar pics I've seen, they're pics of healed scars. Upsetting but not gory. There's also some other stuff like damaged arms from phalloplasties.

Because defecating into a bag or being unable to move your arm properly should be the last thing they ever want to risk on anyone

Let’s not forget which sex suffer those complications though!

I take every opportunity to remind the occasional male who posts about puberty blockers that for some reason it is females who suffer the worst negative effects and those long term, life shortening effects. And males keep pushing a medical agenda that has less negative effect and better outcomes.

It is still sexist discrimination. Even in this health category. It is females who are suffering the higher risk in the push for supposed improved trans health.

But this seems to be ignored.

Same old. Same old.

[quote IamAporcupine]@QuimReaper

Was the gender therapist at the end being confronted Marcie Bowers? Anyone know?

No, is Victoria T. Lieber-Spiess
She was one if his therapists. The whole call where he confronts her is here:

[/quote] This should be sent to MPs. This poor young man, it is just horrific.

I may include that in my submission to the conversion therapy consultation.

Yes. And it's that female tissue - breasts - that we see people celebrating being binned. That people need to get rid of and that doesn't matter. Not penises. Not seen many surgeons waving buckets of penises with a big grin on their face.

@QuimReaper that’s what I see happening. I’ve always thought it will come to that. It’s not a question of if but when. At the moment they detransitioners fear being ostracised further by their own former community and a lot of them don’t want to come forward as they don’t want to be weaponised by what they view as the ‘Terfs’- from what I’ve read on online discussion. And there’s a great sense of blaming themselves rather than those who encouraged them on the path they took. It’s hard to break cult mentality.

It is still sexist discrimination. Even in this health category. It is females who are suffering the higher risk in the push for supposed improved trans health

Yes, you also have to wonder if a dr with several lawsuits pending would be able to still.practice if it wasn't phalloplasty related.

Once again I am.alsp shocked at the constant " no regrets" "no negative side effects " claims.

That's not true of any procedure. Ever. If it were, then why would new techniques, less invasive ways have ever been researched/ developed. They'd be no need. Everyone was happy right? How is this the one set of medication that has no side effects and regrets and how is this the one category of surgery that has no regret/complications even grommets can go wrong.

That was hard to watch.

Did anyone believe the young female who was crying with happiness after "top surgery"?

Isaac's therapist was truly awful. Would a decent therapist ever say, "I'm sorry to feel that way". I can't hear any empathy in her voice at all.

The tiktoc surgeon ( the one JJ was doing an internship with) dismissing ethical concerns and making surgery seem like fun and human right.

I should be angry about it but I just can't believe so many adults are morally bankrupt or mentally ill that they would not only facilitate the harm but, in some cases, actually celebrate it.

No queenpeony. Because penises don’t get chopped off, they are preciously used to create that ever desirable hole (as I have seen it labeled on twitter by a few transitioned males).

It is female body parts that are considered superfluous. Let’s not point out that they are also erogenous zones. So… those females now have less erogenous zones than the males (with new exciting bits that bounce boobily down the stairs apparently) who keep their penises.

And clitorises, well according to those videos the pain from swelling with testosterone can be debilitating. And of course, it is uncertain how much nerve damage to that body part then occurs with phalloplasty.

But hey… weren’t we told that asexual is a valid sexuality by one mature male transitioner on this board? As if it was a consolation prize for young transitioners.

And of course, being asexual is valid. But losing any capacity for sexual pleasure through transition should not be considered as someone’s entry into that sexuality.

Why the heck was my post deleted?

It didn't break any guidelines whatsoever.

@Torunette

Why the heck was my post deleted?

It didn't break any guidelines whatsoever.

I was about to ask exactly the same! And mine was deleted for quoting yours.

My memory is awful so I can't even remember your exact words, but I thought it was spot on!

@Torunette touched a nerve, obviously. This thread is clearly of interest to our unofficial monitors.

If seeing huge scars across the chests of young females is graphic, then there is a whole section of those.

What I don't understand about "top surgery" is why it is so brutal (compared to my cancer mastectomies). Those scars are an inch wide in some cases and stretch across the entire chest.

Some of those girls seemed to be displaying their scars rather than their lack of breasts.

They don't look like men - men have breast tissue and nipples - they look like girls who've had top surgery.
Maybe that's the whole point. I dunno.

@TooManyPJs

Only watched half as myst go to bed but fuck me, really powerful. Not just trans we are seeing this with as the video outlines. But possibly that's where the greatest potential for harm is Will watch the rest tomorrow.

I think the difference is, that with all the other harmful stuff (pro-anna, mental health tics, self harming) it is reported on by the media as an area of concern, seen as a problem. That doesn't solve the issue obviously. But with gender identity the media, schools etc are all focussed on "affirming" and there are doctors there ready to assist them. Which pushes it far beyond the usual "troubling teenage trend". It also shows up the cognitive dissonance - all of the other stuff is obviously social contagion except for gender identity which is definately not!!!

Did anyone believe the young female who was crying with happiness after "top surgery"?

I didn't. It looked more like a "WTF have I done" type of cry to me. A palpable loss.

It is noticeable how so many of these young female people having "top surgery" come across as so very feminine-seeming and socialised as females - teary, eager to please, subject to social pressure, talking about how happy they are while not looking it. That doesn't surprise me and I'm not blaming them for it at all, but many of them don't seem to be masculine or trying to come across as boys/men.

They all come across as immature and very vulnerable.