How can I, as an individual transwoman, can make a stand against the TRA avalanche?

[simmonslulu]

A thread created in response to a post on another thread.

Any advice gratefully received

This is not the EHRC guidance.

Ah, I see, I transposed letters and read ECHR instead of Equalities and Human Rights Commission. Sorry!

No, it's our own British EHRC. The OP should not be ordered by GC people not to do somthing which is their human right.

Seeing women naked is not a human right.

@Redlake

No more questions. I'm off to bed now.

If you're speaking in this condescending, captain of the ship tone to someone who isn't a child in your care... you need to seriously do some self reflection when it comes to how you interact with people.

It made me full on cringe.

This EHRC?

The Equalities and Human Rights Commission: one of the roots of regulatory capture? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3613391-The-Equalities-and-Human-Rights-Commission-one-of-the-roots-of-regulatory-capture

Quoting the OP, from Sarah Philimore:

"Great attempt at explanation from Sarah Phillimore with additional commentary by someone who was there

I take to heart the following:

"The EHRC thus argued that their position had always been clear; a TP can be excluded from a service where that is justified, and the EHRC had taken steps to bring that to the attention of service-providers whose guidance wrongly suggests that a TP must ALWAYS be permitted to use the SSS of their acquired gender irrespective of the needs of, or detriment to, others."

Making sense of the EHRC judicial review www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4239359-Making-sense-of-the-EHRC-judicial-review

I believe that OP has pointed out that they are very much aware of their biology and do not use SSS.

@Redlake

OP asked for advice. Advice was given. You then post your interpretation of what EHRC says and use it to suggest that the advice given was against the law. I'm asking you to clarify exactly what advice (not orders) has been offered that you think is illegal.

Perhaps you could clarify tomorrow once you've had a good nights sleep?

Post your own thread on transwidows and I promise not to post on it
Very funny.

Tinsel’s right. We can’t physically keep males out of our spaces but that doesn’t mean we have to interact with them.

@EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn

Tinsel’s right. We can’t physically keep males out of our spaces but that doesn’t mean we have to interact with them.

I don't understand why women are still engaging with a self confessed perpetrator of everything described by trans widows on here over the last 4 years.

The topic is "sex and gender discussions". Not trans widows.

Well I think we all predicted this when the board was split.

Equality and Human Rights Commission.

I don't understand why women are still engaging with a self confessed perpetrator of everything described by trans widows on here over the last 4 years.
Because I give new posters the benefit of the doubt. Innocent/genuine until proved guilty and all that.
Because I haven't seem whatever it is that you are referring to.

Care to comment, OP?

It was on their original, now conveniently deleted, thread.

Yes. There was a reference in their first post to having made their wife suffer before transitioning.

@senua

I don't understand why women are still engaging with a self confessed perpetrator of everything described by trans widows on here over the last 4 years. Because I give new posters the benefit of the doubt. Innocent/genuine until proved guilty and all that. Because I haven't seem whatever it is that you are referring to.

Care to comment, OP?

Thank you for your post, I know some people appear to have a problem with me posting on MN and it is true that I was married to a woman before transitioning which is enough to raise the hackles of many including transwidows.

Unfortunately I cannot change the past as I cannot change my biological sex, all I can do is be open about it.

This explanation hopefully provides the context to some of the exchanges of posts you have seen on here.

You also said that you mistreated your ex wife due to your attempts to conform with toxic masculinity IIRC OP.

We trans widows, and the women here who have read our threads, know that there will likely be far more to it than that.

In fairness to us @simmonslulu you said you mistreated your wife and when asked to clarify what you meant (as I didn't want to engage with someone abusive) you didn't really explain what that meant. You also said she is fine now as a throwaway comment.

I'm unsure what your mistreatment if her, which you specifically said reflected toxic masculinity, meant? It sounded quite scary.

Could you elaborate?

@TinselAngel

You also said that you mistreated your ex wife due to your attempts to conform with toxic masculinity IIRC OP.

We trans widows, and the women here who have read our threads, know that there will likely be far more to it than that.

I am sympathetic to you Tinsel but I do wonder whether you role as self appointed 'gatekeeper' of all feminist threads really fits into the MN ethos.

Yes my masculinity was in some cases toxic, just as the actions of a gambling addict or alcoholic can be to their spouse.

Why not start a new a thread to discuss 'Luiza's toxic masculinity and what forms I imagine it took because I was actually there' that would be surely be a much better way of moving forward rather than 'engaging' with me here.

I'd rather not discuss you at all, thanks.

I wonder how many of the husbands in the stories on transwidowsvoices.org would say their wives are fine now?

Thank you for taking the time to ask and for caring. It can't be easy to put your head above the parapet but it's appreciated.

@EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn

I wonder how many of the husbands in the stories on transwidowsvoices.org would say their wives are fine now?

All of them I'd imagine Empress, they'd all minimise their actions too, and make veiled threats to try and silence us. They might also, if they were here, claim to understand more about the ethos of Mumsnet after being here for five minutes, than those of us who have been here for years do.

@youvegottenminuteslynn

In fairness to us *@simmonslulu* you said you mistreated your wife and when asked to clarify what you meant (as I didn't want to engage with someone abusive) you didn't really explain what that meant. You also said she is fine now as a throwaway comment.

I'm unsure what your mistreatment if her, which you specifically said reflected toxic masculinity, meant? It sounded quite scary.

Could you elaborate?

I refer to you my response to Tinsel please start a new thread I will be happy to engage and contribute in detail.

To be fair to you you have at least allowed me to explain what happened not as in the case simply extrapolate the experiences of transwidows.

This is of course off topic and I do not want MNHQ to delete the valuable ideas that have been put forward by those on topic. So I will not be responding to questions like yours on this thread but will be happy to reply on a dedicated thread you create on luiza's toxic masculinity

will be happy to reply on a dedicated thread you create on luiza's toxic masculinity
I'm sure you would.

If you think women should not engage with me why are you the single greatest contributor to this thread? (I just checked)

Believe me you have yet to offer me any advice other than to go away and crawl back under the stone I emerged from.