How can I, as an individual transwoman, can make a stand against the TRA avalanche?

[simmonslulu]

A thread created in response to a post on another thread.

Any advice gratefully received

Lead by example. Stay out women's spaces, whether toilets, changing rooms, shelters or shortlists. Campaign and fundraise for trans shelters. Campaign to be made welcome in men's private spaces. Don't write lurid reviews of women's underwear on on line sites where women shop.

Which news organisations/papers have you contacted?

The Telegraph, Times, Spectator, Mail are all publishing with more of a GC approach. The Critic and Unherd too.

Don’t bother with Guardian, Independent, Mirror, Metro etc. Doubt any of the women’s mags eg Grazia or whatever would go there either.

Support the people who started the petition in this thread. You're not alone.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/3752551-Petition-for-third-spaces-Fionne-Miranda

Here's someone doing it and who does it very well. What an example!

unherd.com/thepost/a-win-for-common-sense-at-the-girls-day-school-trust/

You might find you would get interest from the blogosphere, forum sites and the likes of UnHerd, The Critic and Spiked, who all have writers on this beat...more so than the national media.

Start a blog? Write comments on articles on those sites mentioned above, contribute to consultations by government and parliamentary bodies,, write to government equalities office, department of education, local authorities, teachers' unions, school governors, sign letters to newspapers, as transsexual and transpeople have done on occasion in recent years and gradually your name and views become known.

Go and talk to your MP if there are specific legislative proposals you don't agree with

Write to newspapers in support if they publish something you agree with

Talk to people you know in real life about the issues, especially men. Speak up if someone is trying to speak for you (especially non-trans TRAs) and you don't agree

Set an example to other transwomen by declining to use women's spaces/resources

Most of all, be prepared to take a lot of flack.

Here is how a different movement treat their heretics: www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/dec/04/abuse-intimidation-death-threats-the-vicious-backlash-facing-fomer-vegans

OP cleared their user name up in the last thread. Their name is Luiza. And I imagine first name Simmons.

Sorry. Last name Simmons.

@WandaWomblesaurus73

Debbie Hayton could offer some advice perhaps if someone could link Debbie's username?

If Dr Hayton does join this thread, then perhaps he'll comment on the NASUWT guidelines he wrote which state that male teachers should be allowed to use women's toilets (even if they're just crossdressing at a staff party) and that children should call them Miss. A lot of FWR posters would like to know whether he still stands by this or whether he's going to update his advice.

@Scraggythang

OP cleared their user name up in the last thread. Their name is Luiza. And I imagine first name Simmons.

Ah ok thanks - but still, I think comments in the last thread (now deleted?) were an indication of their position on relevant matters.

Those who engage can check posting history and decide for themselves.

@OhHolyJesus

Tell Stonewall.

Also, what does your username mean? 👀

I agree - talk to stonewall.

I have banged on about this a few times now. But if all the ‘reasonable’ trans people contacted Stonewall as a group and told them that they no longer represented them (and joined another support group at the same time that did suit them) it would send a powerful message. Considering we are told they are the majority by numerous posters.

@OhHolyJesus

Tell Stonewall.

Also, what does your username mean? 👀

What does your username mean? My name was also explained in the last thread you refer to which you have clearly not bothered to check. Far from being an issue for me your posts show far more about you and your outlook on life and other MN users.

@OhHolyJesus

Posting without comment.

Unbelievable, my name is luiza shortened to lu if I was trying to make a cunning point I would have changed it to simmonsSlu. Perhaps you would now have the courtesy to apologise?

It also causes people to dislike and mistrust transwomen as a whole whatever their individual views on the matter.

I do think that's a real shame as well because women in general previously would have been strong allies with transwomen but the aggression of TRA's over the last few years have forced women to harden in order to face the issues

What I'd like to see is transpeople leading a campaign highlighting the unfairness of their being excluded from the correct facilities for their sex, just because of how they identify. 'Widening the bandwidth of what it means to be a man', to paraphrase Alex Drummond.

And asking male trans allies like Owen Jones & the fox-killer to push for greater inclusiveness so that all prostate-havers, regardless of gender identity or surgery, feel safe in male toilets, changing rooms etc. They could use #YouCanPeeWithMe.

Creation of trans leagues and sports categories, particularly in sports like roller derby which are being destroyed by trans competitors. Starting at a local level, but would need to take into account sex based difference and safety based on this. Looking at sports like korfball developed to offset sex differences for example.
Especially important for trans men who can't take part in the female category if they are doping.

Being honest and calling for research into the effect of cross sex hormones over a long period of time, particularly with regard to the huge cohort of younger women identifying as trans.

Being clear with young people that stereotypes do not mean they are trans and that most gender non conforming people are not trans and do not require surgery.

1)Keep calling yourself a transwoman. Do not call yourself a woman.

2. Respect women’s spaces, fight for separate transwomen’s spaces.

3. Live your life honestly and be kind to us, we don’t hate you despite the hate that is poured on us.

@EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn

What I'd like to see is transpeople leading a campaign highlighting the unfairness of their being excluded from the correct facilities for their sex, just because of how they identify. 'Widening the bandwidth of what it means to be a man', to paraphrase Alex Drummond.

And asking male trans allies like Owen Jones & the fox-killer to push for greater inclusiveness so that all prostate-havers, regardless of gender identity or surgery, feel safe in male toilets, changing rooms etc. They could use #YouCanPeeWithMe.

Just tweeted #youcanpeewithme and #womenstoletsareonlyforwomen

Great idea!

Yes to encouraging men to include you in their spaces and normalise male spaces for gender nonconformists.

transitioning should be restricted to adults of sound mind. There should be a clear CAVEAT EMPTOR this will not change your sex but it may allow you (as in my case) to live more easily in your skin.

Now I could live with this. I can accept men dressing as women, and having operations to make them look more like women (and women > men). This does not make them actual women or men though, and as such trans women/men should not be included in cometitions under the sex they look like, but rather, under their natal sex. This includes all types of competition: physical/sporting, literary, career achievement such as"first female CEO" or "first woman on the front line" etc etc.
Nor should trans people be imprisoned as per their chosen sex.

@Justkeeppedaling

transitioning should be restricted to adults of sound mind. There should be a clear CAVEAT EMPTOR this will not change your sex but it may allow you (as in my case) to live more easily in your skin.

Now I could live with this. I can accept men dressing as women, and having operations to make them look more like women (and women > men). This does not make them actual women or men though, and as such trans women/men should not be included in cometitions under the sex they look like, but rather, under their natal sex. This includes all types of competition: physical/sporting, literary, career achievement such as"first female CEO" or "first woman on the front line" etc etc.
Nor should trans people be imprisoned as per their chosen sex.

Agreed, I am proud to be a transwoman.

Yes to encouraging men to include you in their spaces and normalise male spaces for gender nonconformists.
I think that you should major on this. Transwomen have nothing to fear from women. Your problem is the same as women's problem viz aggressive men.
In this age of soundbites you need a catchy slogan. I suggest #BeMankind. Reasonable people of either sex can get behind this. It's about time that men were asked to #BeKind instead of it being women all the time.

Perhaps you would now have the courtesy to apologise?

No.

Unbelievable, my name is luiza shortened to lu if I was trying to make a cunning point I would have changed it to simmonsSlu.
Perhaps you would now have the courtesy to apologise?

What would SimmonSlu mean? Is it a song?

Can someone explain what is going on here, preferably without cryptic tone indicators?