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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Who the hell is Tom Harwood?

173 replies

TurquoiseBaubles · 04/01/2022 13:07

because he's really being ratioed on Twitter

twitter.com/tomhfh and twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1478035571146727425 in particular

He seems to have waded in on the trans/schools row. He isn't listening to the many, many replies and is doubling down in the weirdest way.

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heathspeedwell · 04/01/2022 20:12

I absolutely get why we're all angry with Tom and his lack of grey matter but let's turn this into a positive by celebrating Mercy's insight.

twitter.com/mercymuroki

Enough4me · 04/01/2022 20:16

Mercy is particularly clear and applies facts. Tom is as clear as mud.

FlyingOink · 04/01/2022 20:30

@WalkOnGildedSplinters

I think TH can be added to the list of gay male misogynists who seem to have such rage when women talk about this issue and refuse to shut up.

James Max, Peter Tatchell, Owen Jones, Michael Cashman, Ben Cohen, Benjamin Butterworth, Adrian Harrop. There’s probably more I’ve forgotten about.

I often wonder what this is about. I know there is prejudice against effeminate men from other gay men. "Masc4masc", "no fems" etc on dating profiles.

Amongst lesbians there's prejudice against butches but also a percentage of women who only date butches. Not sure if there's the equivalent for gay men, especially when the camp guys get too old to be classed as twinks. But I honestly don't know.

I'm guessing the ability to hive off the feminine gay men into transwomen is something they defend because it makes the average of all gay men more masculine? Or maybe it's an internalised homophobia thing, and screaming queens/camp guys/very feminine or effeminate guys are just the wrong type of gay?

What I really don't understand is the conflation of the two Blanchard types by these genderist gay men. Surely they'd want to establish clear blue water between the two?

Datun · 04/01/2022 20:31

[quote MalagaNights]Calvin Robinson debating this with Tom Harwood on GB news today.
Calvin gets it brilliantly.

twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1478425998202859520?t=Wnfj4aoOi_kJnC902cu3BQ&s=19[/quote]
Yes! it's where ideology meets reality.

And yes of course it's a choice. It might not be a choice to have gender dysphoria, but it's a bleeding choice to say it makes you a woman.

The thing about that Tom man is that he thinks that what women have to say is so desperately unimportant, he can't even hear it. Unlike the other chap.

All men have male entitlement and male privilege, but some of them, thank fuck, aren't blinded by it.

littlbrowndog · 04/01/2022 21:09

Posit was quite frankly rude 🤣🤣🤣 pissed myself laughing when posh boy said that

Posh boys not used to women owning them

littlbrowndog · 04/01/2022 21:09

Eek. Posie

DoctorTwo · 04/01/2022 21:22

The GBeebies trainee really lost there. Kellie Jay was fantastic as per. He was so out of his depth as soon as he opened his mouth. I'd love KJK to appear on more mainstream tv channels but she won't because they're afraid to put her on. Fucking scaredycats.

FOJN · 04/01/2022 21:25

Mercy is continuing to be very clear on her position.

ClaudiusTheGod · 04/01/2022 21:34

A pp said I assume he thought she agreed with him when she clearly didn’t

This x1000. If I had a pound for every time this has happened to me. They just ASSUME Angry

nauticant · 04/01/2022 21:45

Did you notice that in the debate with Calvin Robinson, Tom Harwood said this:

[in the UK] "12 million children maybe 2000 trans"

That makes the prevalence to be 0.016%. That's a factor of around 20 to 30 lower than the oft-reported 0.3-0.5% that's become standard.

The 0.016% figure looks broadly in line with the prevalence numbers that gave the 5,000 transsexuals in the GRA debates. It seems that Harwood means gender instead of sex and transsexual instead of transgender. Also, is Harwood implying that there is a very small number of "trans kids" and the vast majority of trans people are adult transitioners? That's T*-y territory?

People arguing to support gender identity ideology will say any old shit if it supports their argument.

TurquoiseBaubles · 04/01/2022 22:03

[quote FOJN]Mercy is continuing to be very clear on her position.

[/quote] This is really great. Clear and concise and just, well, obvious

Of course the statement from the schools is also very clear and is exactly what Girl Guides should be saying - along with the prison service, rape crisis services, shelters and sporting organisations.

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littlbrowndog · 04/01/2022 22:07

Fucking love this. Poor posh boy rabbit dogs

Who the hell is Tom Harwood?
Who the hell is Tom Harwood?
TurquoiseBaubles · 04/01/2022 22:09

Also in relation to the 2000 trans children - there are 5000 on the GIDS waiting list alone. Add in all those who are simply self-identifying with no medical treatment, as well as those who are currently attending various gender clinics and the numbers must be much, much higher.

I know year groups of under 100 where more than a dozen identify as "trans" - that's 10% in some schools.

Added to which 1 "transgirl" in a school can have a detrimental effect on hundreds of girls if the end result is removal of single sex spaces, whether the result is one male body with access to the girl's changing rooms or a complete replacement of all single sex spaces with mixed sex (as appears to be happening all over Ireland at the moment).

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littlbrowndog · 04/01/2022 22:15

Tom has history of being owned by scientists. But refuses to learn. Nowt like a man who refuses to learn

www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1407017842084569092

Scraggythang · 04/01/2022 22:16

Getting schooled by Kellie Jay and Emma Hilton in the same day. Oooof.

Goatsaregreat · 04/01/2022 22:16

It's good to see that Mercy isn't alone at GB News. As well as Calvin Robinson (who was knowledgeable and clear) the other male presenter contributed really useful information.
There's a massive sea change happening. Take a look at the comments under the DM's article about Boswell School and the comments in yesterday's Times under the article about the GDST decision about retaining single sex schools - there are thousands of comments from men as well as women horrified at what's happening. Men are starting to get this and to speak up. It's great to see.

Goatsaregreat · 04/01/2022 22:19

[quote littlbrowndog]Tom has history of being owned by scientists. But refuses to learn. Nowt like a man who refuses to learn

www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1407017842084569092[/quote]
OMG - he told Ross Tucker - a world leading sport scientist and expert in all this that he was confused about the principles of sport!!
Grin Grin

Goatsaregreat · 04/01/2022 22:24

This twitter thread is rather glorious if you fancy a good laugh:

twitter.com/Klopps_mug/status/1407031082101448705

Helleofabore · 04/01/2022 22:25

I finally got to see the full interview. KJK was very precise and very direct.

And that man hated it.

I don’t think he has realized that on that occasion and later on, he is wholly relying on ‘be nice’ as a reason.

And he absolutely believes that female prisons are a sanctuary for males who are vulnerable.

He is definitely a nincompoop, I thought so before, but I am sure now.

TurquoiseBaubles · 04/01/2022 22:30

That fondofbeetles thread about the doggit has me weeping with laughter. There are some very funny people on twitter.

twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1478362066222305280

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TurquoiseBaubles · 04/01/2022 22:35

And this twitter.com/with_rhymes/status/1478481412181401603

"I’ve put my pre-order in for @FondOfBeetles’ new book, “Small dogs are not rabbits: an introduction to statistics for woke men”. Really looking forward to the illustrations.

I would pay good money if Emma Hilton named her next book this Grin

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nauticant · 04/01/2022 22:35

He's a one-trick pony with "anything other than case-by-case is discriminatory and incredibly unfair". That's why he needs his "there are very few trans people", because this means the burden of carrying out case-by-case assessments isn't insanely burdensome.

Running the argument in that way means being dishonest. When anyone appears to be in danger of revealing the dishonesty he gets angry.

OvaHere · 04/01/2022 22:35

Gosh women being rude. How dare we.

She wasn't rude just very forthright about how this impacts girls which Tom was not interested in hearing and clearly didn't care about. She is completely correct that language has obfuscated what is happening.

He is a prize arse. I hope he finds that rude too should he google his name (he seems like someone who might have a google alert on himself). Grin

The poster who said that misogyny just gets reinvented for every generation is spot on.

OvaHere · 04/01/2022 22:43

[quote TurquoiseBaubles]That fondofbeetles thread about the doggit has me weeping with laughter. There are some very funny people on twitter.

twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1478362066222305280[/quote]
Brilliant. Grin

Let me illustrate.

Measure the body length of 1000 domestic rabbits and 1000 domestic dogs.

Plot them as length distributions. A tiny dog may well be within the ‘rabbit length’ range.

A tiny dog is not, in fact, a rabbit. You are not mapping a dog-rabbit species spectrum

Scraggythang · 04/01/2022 22:46

Twitter is hilarious! Shame the flip side of it is so depressing and disturbing in equal measure.

I wonder if Tom is trying to secure a spot on Stewart Lee’s next ‘nice’ list.