What has Stewart Lee done?

[concernedfriend500]

I see lots of people on Twitter are slagging off Stewart Lee because he listed a lot of non-woke folk like Graham Linehan in his "pedal bin" of people he doesn't like. What is his public stance on the Trans Rights campaign though? I've not heard/read anything but I've probably missed it.

They've separated. He's with Rosie Holt .

I rather like SL, but I'm a bit disappointed in his take on this particular topic. I didn't expect to agree with him on everything, of course. It's just that he is one of the people you think would get it and have the DILIGAF to actually call it out.

He either doesn't get it, doesn't want to get it, or he gets it and DGAF. Fair fucks to him, but I'm not impressed.

Oh but Bernard he's self aware. So that makes him hilarious, obviously.

I know the more we hate him the more he would love it and the same with we don't care when we do. He is a cakist comedian he wants to both have it and eat it which by the look of him he's being doing a lot of that recently. A punch in the face might work though followed by a riposte of 'only joking. Then do him in the nuts with a call back no I wasn't that one's for Glinny.

I didn't need any more confirmation that a lot of his fans are pompous, cleverer-than-thou arses, but thanks anyway.

"oH tHat'S jUsT wHaT hE wOuLd SaY."

<Snigger>

Absolutely side splitting.

He really makes me laugh-but I've been thinking how to explain why. I can't. I can explain, I think, why I don't like Jimmy Carr or Sarah Milligan( although I do love her online presence, just not her comedy) or why I do like Stewart Goldsmith or Sindhu V. But Lee? Nope!

I love Sindhu Vee, from the little I’ve seen! Her anecdotes about her mothering style make me laugh so much.

This thread is hilarious.

She is indeed very good. Saw her at a little arts centre just before the pandemic.

Some of us find him funny, some of us don't. I'm fairly sure no one here is going to say "You've persuaded me! Yes, Stewart Lee is/isn't funny."

So, perhaps move on. I think we can all agree that his views on women's rights are of a piece with all the rest of the currently fashionable comedians - Sara Pascoe, James Acaster, Omid Djalili and so on. The point is that all these people would prefer to engage in the comfort of group think than to risk being ostracised by thinking for themselves.

Don’t like him, but don’t want him cancelled.

Happy to let his popularity dwindle away unremarked upon.

I’m sure the currently “fashionable” comedians are trapped into their gender-friendly positions, I can understand them looking at others who’ve lost their careers and reputations and not wanting to risk it, but surely the whole point of being a comedian is to be bold, to look at situations in a different way, to find humour or satire in them. To offend people, FFS! Some people need to be offended! Challenge yourselves and others, don’t keep that BBC/C4 contract in the forefront of every decision.

Your anecdote colides with my random anecdote... Jimmy Corkhill who is in the final episode of brookside, aka Dean Sullivan was my history teacher in high school!

So what? Serious question, why should anyone care?

What gets me is that everyone seems perfectly happy to defend certain comedians who tell offensive jokes for example this week I saw Sara Pascoe defending Jimmy Carr, the only comedian I can think of who spoke out against his gypsies/holocaust joke last year was David Baddiel( I'm not saying people should be speaking out because I agree comedy is sometimes supposed to cause offence).

I can't tell if joking about trans issue is such a hot button issue that someone in the in crowd in British comedy like Carr would be ostracised for a joke or if its just suited them that the comedians brave enough to joke about it Chappelle/Gervais etc. aren't the ones they won't run into at a panel show taping/in a normal club/socialising.

Returning to the "Context" episode of SLCV (on BBC2) then it's interesting how little to no outrage there was at it. Despite it being deliberately written with some key "magic words". Personally I see that as a sign of good writing putting across a very complex subject and avoiding the bear traps.

Humour is a complex subject and unlikely to be solved in a throwaway thread on a forum devoted to other things. However Jimmy Carr has noted that he tries to aim for that part of the brain which makes you laugh before you realise you shouldn't. I refuse to believe there is anyone living who doesn't know what I mean - we've all done it.

Yes, laughter is involuntary, part of our parasympathetic nervous system (this may not be biologically accurate btw). It’s hard trying not to smile/laugh at a naughty child/puppy for instance, or trying not to laugh in inappropriate places like funerals. It’s (sometimes) beyond our control!

Went to see Rosie Holt this evening. She didn’t like the Stage Right side of the audience either. But she has potential and the act for a lot better the more she moved into it.

I do find it interesting, and instructive, that whereas in in other corners of SM, I've always found myself in a small minority in not accepting the genius of SL, on MN, much less so.