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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Eddie Izzard….has he reverted back to male ID

116 replies

Lovelymincepies · 03/01/2022 20:40

Just watching Stay Close, 1st episode, and it has Eddie Izzard being a man. This seems at odds with his spouting of ‘I’ve always known I am a woman’ bullshit.

This got me thinking that I’ve not heard much about his womanly feelings or Sam ‘pratface’ Smith either. Have they backtracked a bit?

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candycane222 · 04/01/2022 18:41

Thanks for that link LangCleg. The commentary does quite nicely point up a certain self-absorption on the part of EI doesn't it?

Abhannmor · 04/01/2022 18:59

He will just switch back and forth whenever he drops out of the limelight. The Izzard of Was.

Waitwhat23 · 04/01/2022 19:18

@PhoenixIsFlying

So I have now read that when EI was 23 he had his first outing out as a woman. He went in a public loo to quickly change and 3 girls followed him out of the loo taunting him about why he was dressed as a woman. ?
Not quite what happened. He used a single sex toilet, was challenged by the teenage girls using the toilet as to why he (a male) was using a female toilet and he (a grown male) screamed at them (teenage girls) until they were so frightened they ran away.

He's not the hero of that story.

RepentMotherfucker · 04/01/2022 19:25

Wht do you think girls should do when they encounter a man in their toilets? I am teaching my DD that she should scream loudly and do anything she can to attract attention.

Masdintle · 04/01/2022 19:27

@Abhannmor

He will just switch back and forth whenever he drops out of the limelight. The Izzard of Was.

Superb! Thank you so much h for that. The Izzard of Was. You win the internet today Grin

Scraggythang · 04/01/2022 21:02

The Izzard of was is a stroke of genius. Grin

ArabellaScott · 04/01/2022 21:21

@Abhannmor

He will just switch back and forth whenever he drops out of the limelight. The Izzard of Was.
Grin
OverByYer · 04/01/2022 22:12

The Izzard of Was. Genius.

girlsyearapart · 04/01/2022 22:15

Dh saw him cycling his bike wearing a dress the other day 🤷‍♀️

CruellaDeVilla · 04/01/2022 22:49

@SarahDippity

Saw this on Twitter
ROAR
PhoenixIsFlying · 04/01/2022 23:24

Waitwhat23
How do you know that is what happened? Where did you source this information. He was also 23 (a very long time ago). I too, when younger used male toilets when the ladies was full. I wouldn't do it now (too smelly) but when I was younger I didn't care so much.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 04/01/2022 23:45

Eddie Izzard has never said "I've always known I was a woman" or anything similar.
He isn't a trans woman and has never claimed to be one.

Oops.

Not been doing your homework, Blueberry? You’ll fail your Grand Inquisitor/Master Oppressor final exam if you carry on like that.

And then you’ll have to rely on just your bog standard male privilege to keep on oppressing biologically female people as much as you like.

BlwyddynNewydd2022 · 04/01/2022 23:51

I always thought Izzard was a transvestite not a transexual 😳 I must have missed about a decade of his most recent life 😂

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 05/01/2022 00:11

@PhoenixIsFlying

Waitwhat23 How do you know that is what happened? Where did you source this information. He was also 23 (a very long time ago). I too, when younger used male toilets when the ladies was full. I wouldn't do it now (too smelly) but when I was younger I didn't care so much.
I do worry about those of you who can’t grasp the fact that there’s no symmetry between the sexes when it comes to these situations.

Is a young woman in the gents any kind of a threat to the men there? Obviously not.
If anyone’s running any kind of risk, it’s the young woman.

Is an adult man a potential threat to teenage girls in the women’s toilets? Yes, of course he is. Have you heard of #metoo and Everyone’s Invited, by any chance? Seen any of the stats on the ubiquity of male sexual harassment and assault EVERYWHERE?

If you are in that tiny minority of women who’ve never experienced any form of it, have you never spoken/listened to any other women on the subject? Are you aware of basic biological realities that mean it’s within the ability of most men to overpower a woman or girl if they so choose, and not within the ability of most women or girls to effectively defend themselves against a determined, predatory man?

Or are you one of those reality deniers who think that women could fend off a man twice their size and weight if they just tried a bit harder?

None of which is to say that EI is a predator. But the fact is he’s very, very obviously male, and to those girls at that time he was an unknown quantity, so his presence in the women’s toilets would have been unnerving for those girls in a way your presence in the men’s toilets would never have been for the men in there.

Because they don’t live with the knowledge of being physically relatively vulnerable to the opposite sex. Whereas women do. The vast majority of women factor this vulnerability into the plans they make when out and about alone. Men don’t experience physical vulnerability relative to women in the same way at all.

I can’t believe this stuff has to be spelled out, or even said at all. Are we also going to have to write long theses proving that water is wet, that people cannot survive without food and water, that it’s light in the daytime and dark at night, before anyone will accept the validity of those concepts?

Oh, and he wasn’t using the women’s toilets because the men’s were full. He was appropriating a women only space for himself because he felt entitled to. Because he could. Because it felt good to him. It was what he wanted to do. Not out of any need and a structurally unequal lack of male toilet provision - because that particular structural inequality, like so many others, doesn’t impact men: it only impacts women.

OldCrone · 05/01/2022 00:47

@PhoenixIsFlying

Waitwhat23 How do you know that is what happened? Where did you source this information. He was also 23 (a very long time ago). I too, when younger used male toilets when the ladies was full. I wouldn't do it now (too smelly) but when I was younger I didn't care so much.
We know that's what happened because he said so.

And when I finally came out of the cubicle, they shouted, “Hey, mate! Hey, mister! Why are you wearing makeup? Why are you dressed as a woman?”
...
I shouted back, “You want to know why I’m wearing a dress? I’ll tell you why.”

But before I could say anything else, the girls just screamed and ran off in the other direction.

They challenged him, he shouted at them, scaring them. They ran away.

PrincessNutella · 05/01/2022 00:50

Poor Eddie was the victim of those powerful cruel schoolgirls.

DoYouSeaWhatISea · 05/01/2022 03:44

@JayAlfredPrufrock

I don’t care.
Random man, your opinion has been noted.
PhoenixIsFlying · 05/01/2022 04:19

00:11RoaringtoLangClegintheDark
This happened when he was 23. He doesn't then follow on to say he regularity frequents the womens toilets. For me the places I have been assaulted are on top of a bus, on a train, walking home and at a party. All very public places. You have to be aware everywhere.

It's not about not being aware it's about putting things into perspective. This was an isolated incident that happened over 20 years ago.

OldCrone
Indeed those are quotes but the girls were following him and he was too worried to go home for fear of them knowing where he lived. Only after being followed did he address them. I can't say I have ever followed someone I have felt threatened by, I would run in the opposite direction.

MooseBeTimeForSnow · 05/01/2022 05:12

I saw him running (at a fair pace it has to be said!) along the waterfront in Vancouver in early
December. Running tights, windbreaker and very heavily made up.

OverByYer · 05/01/2022 06:37

@PhoenixIsFlying

00:11RoaringtoLangClegintheDark This happened when he was 23. He doesn't then follow on to say he regularity frequents the womens toilets. For me the places I have been assaulted are on top of a bus, on a train, walking home and at a party. All very public places. You have to be aware everywhere.

It's not about not being aware it's about putting things into perspective. This was an isolated incident that happened over 20 years ago.

OldCrone
Indeed those are quotes but the girls were following him and he was too worried to go home for fear of them knowing where he lived. Only after being followed did he address them. I can't say I have ever followed someone I have felt threatened by, I would run in the opposite direction.

Eddie is that you? 🙄
RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 05/01/2022 08:11

For me the places I have been assaulted are on top of a bus, on a train, walking home and at a party. All very public places. You have to be aware everywhere.

I’m sorry to hear that, and of course I agree that as women, we have to be aware everywhere, because of the actions and attitudes towards us of the opposite sex - something which is not the case for male people like Izzard.

When you were growing up there were still strong social taboos against men accessing the women’s toilets, women and girls felt justified in challenging a man who was in there, and so the likelihood of being sexually assaulted there was less. It still happened of course but obviously the opportunities for predators are far greater now that men are being encouraged to self ID as women and access women only spaces without fear of challenge.

The fact that all of us are so sadly familiar with the reality and ubiquity of male sexual assault/harassment makes me ask: why would anyone pursue a policy which makes it easier for those males to assault females, not harder; which offers them more opportunities to access victims, not fewer?

What kind of a world says not how can we keep women and girls more safe from predatory males, but how can we make them even less safe than they already were?

One which quite simply doesn’t value people of the female sex as highly as people of the male sex, I would suggest. One that regards people of the female sex fundamentally as service humans, here to facilitate the lives of the primary humans, the male ones.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 05/01/2022 09:17

This was an isolated incident that happened over 20 years ago.

How do you know it was an isolated incident? It just happened to be the one Izzard was boasting about in that article. The first time he’d confronted girls challenging his right to be in what was supposed to be a safe women-only place. What a hero. Hmm

OldCrone · 05/01/2022 09:40

The first time he’d confronted girls challenging his right to be in what was supposed to be a safe women-only place.

Did he explain why he felt entitled to be in the women's toilet when he identified as a transvestite? Did he misunderstand the meaning of the stick figure in a dress on the door?

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 05/01/2022 09:53

He certainly understood his male privilege, OldCrone!

Lovelyricepudding · 05/01/2022 11:36

Notably, we do not have the girl''s version of that incident - only his. And it cannot be dismissed as a 'single incident' when he has used it to sell himself.

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