DH has questions after watching Kellie JK

[Vaginasaurus]

I have just asked DH to watch the video with KJK and James Max. He has several questions as a result and is asking if anyone has statistics. DH supports me in everything such as sports, women’s spaces etc. What he would like are statistics about TWs surgery.

Do we have verified statistics as to how many TW actually have their full genitalia removed? TIA

OP, this DOES affect your DH. He might need to visit little old you in a hospital bed, and the bed next to you could br occupied for a fully intact 6’5 fully intact man.
Your daughter might lose a place on the swim team to a mediocre man.
You might lose out an award at work for ‘Woman of the Year’ to a man in high heels.
He might be on the jury for a rape trial where the accused has to be referred to as ‘she’ although the alleged crime was committed with a penis.
His son or daughter might be gender non conforming and be persuaded by their peers thst they are ‘born in the wrong body’…

Your son or daughter might decide at age 14 that they will chose their own name and completely disregard the name chosen for th and refuse to answer to it…

For a few examples…

Have a look at statsforgender.org you'll find lots of stats there

Don't know if still here OP.

That this question is one he obv finds v important.

It would be worth asking why...
A male person without a cock and balls is still male.

Blokes are let's be honest pretty odd about their dicks and always have been. Loads of stuff around masculinity, THE organ that says man, sending pics getting them out in real life for women and girls to react to/ be intimidated by/ enjoy seeing/ whatever is going on in their heads.

Deep down there's a long standing attitudes that

Penis = Man
No penis = Not a Man

There are men and non men.
Women are non men (again almost universal deep inability to see women as whole different people, rather than entities that exist in relation to males).

Males without dick balls are non men. Women are non men.
Fine to go in same places. In fact better as most men are uncomfy sharing single sex (now gender) things with anyone deemed a non man.

I mean if you want and not as challenge etc but as thing to think about.

'Imagine being so obsessed with what’s in someone else’s pants'

Lololol come off it.

If anyone's obsessed with content of pants, it's the ones with dicks and it's their own they're enraptured with!

Always have been.

Why DO men and boys draw dicks over everything anyway?

Oh hold on ..

Who loves to imagine, pretends to themselves it's true, that women (too often girls) are utterly fascinated, impressed, awestruck, humbled, amazed etc when a man reveals his mighty tool?

Why does het porn generally so often involve woman behaving as if even the sight of a hard nob is instantly overwhelmingly arousing, applying various parts of self to it is ultimate gift beyond all measure etc.

And then look! He's ejaculating! Amazing, spectacular, the intense eroticism of him releasing his vital elixir!

Yep. Really not us.

Oh and just to mention that it's also male types (het) who are incredibly interested in the contents of the pants of women (girls) as well. Upskirting, voyeurism, stealing knickers, blah blah.

Really overall the entire female sex would be super happy if it could all be dialed back a few fucking notches. It's all very tedious.

Imagine being so obsessed with what’s in someone’s pants

Imagine being such a raging misogynist and homophobe that instead of engaging intelligently in a discussion on gender ideology you simply lob in a manipulative statement designed to shut down debate.

‘Interested in what’s in someone’s pants’ = sensible to want to be aware of the sex of people around them.

‘Misgendering someone’ = correctly sexed someone.

‘Be kind’ = shut up.

t*erf! Bigot! Witch! = woman who cares about the safety, dignity and privacy of women and children.

‘Most marginalised community’ = statistically unverifiable blanket statement that requires more context. Certainly in the case of murder victims, being transgender actually puts you in one of the safest demographics.

Hi OP, my partner was the same. Sports and prisons really got my partner thinking but do you know what question made him think….”If you were back in your single days would you have sex or a relationship with a trans woman”? Then I asked him to think about his answer and then think about lesbians and wonder why men weren’t being called out but lesbians were. Very hypothetical but it is something that could impact on all men and highlights the stinking misogyny and homophobia.

@Gumbomambo

Imagine having the luxury of not caring what’s in someone’s pants.

Oh, you can bet your life they do care when they want sex.

He is firmly on the gender critical side, but is totally fed up of me going on about it (his words, not mine). But then, none of this affects him really.

My DH is exactly the same, but we have a daughter. I've started to point out to him every single time it does matter to him, and it's having quite an affect. I realised he just doesn't have the life experience of being a natal woman to actually understand or anticipate the issues. And, frankly, I think this is probably true of transgender women too, no matter what they like to believe.

For example, there is a high school fairly near us which allowed trans pupils to use the loos that connect to their gender identity. It wasn't long before teenage boys were 'identifying' as girls just when they wanted to access the toilets, but boys on all other occasions. They were taking the piss out of girls in the loos by waving dirty sanitary products around, and screaming with laughter at humiliating them. Obvious impacts on girls losing privacy or dignity. I asked my DH, "How would you advise (insert daughters name) to deal with this". He was visibly shocked and disgusted.

TB completely F, there are significant barriers to surgery in terms of time and cost, so more might want it than have it. But those figures would be impossible to find.

But most Mem DO NOT WANT TO LOSE THEIR WILLIES, no matter how they identify.
How would they orgasm?

And there should be no push to, as it's huge invasive painful permanent surgery with various serious risks.

Male is male.

Male with no penis =/= female, non men are not women. And the idea that are comes from male ideas about what real men are.

Yes, as Germaine Greer said some time ago (the total heroine): women are not just men with their willies cut off.

Men pondering on the ineffable nature of women/girls goes back to at least ancient Greece...

Men theorising, putting forward conclusions, producing written ponderings, theses, case studies... Debating conversing...

Around...

What really are they?
Why are they so different to men?
Men are great! Why are they just not as good in so many ways?
What makes men better company, more intelligent, superior thinkers communicators leaders?
In what ways are they deficient, less than man....

@CheeseMmmm

Men have been pondering the ineffable nature of women since at least ancient Greek times.

What are women?
Why are they not as good as men?
Men are great! Rational, intelligent, great company, deep thinkers, excellent debators and leaders, inquisitive, bold, and just totally all round awesome.

What went wrong with women? Why so different? Science will provide the answer.

The main difference is men have penises.
Penises are what makes men, men.
THE male organ is incredibly important, having a penis makes a man, and men are better than women.

Hmm.

Penis penis penis.
Penis. Men penis. Men. Penis.
The vital thing that separates.
Penis means man. Man is obviously superior. Penis means superior.

Yes yes. That makes sense.
The humans that have had the misfortune of not having a penis therefore are naturally inferior. Logical rational conclusion.

The penis really is the key to so much...
The reason that men are just... Best.
They are the source of power, vitality, strength... Elevating us above those with no penis, as the gods are above man.

Yes. Penis penis penis penis....

At that point if I remember my history lessons,

The ancient Greek philosopher would get distracted with thoughts about how majestic, impressive and powerful penises are, and especially his.

And amble off to carve some dick n balls pics in a wall, maybe purchase a vase decorated with cocks (attached to men), and possibly nip home for a bit of hands on worship of his own.

And so it went through the years.

Poems about the mystery that is woman.

Theories about their various deficiencies. Could it be their irrationality, volatile and incomprehensible behaviour is due to womb?

Freud. Well women who are all over the shop, it's obviously because they don't have a penis. And naturally everyone wants a penis. Because. They're THE essence of everything that's so brilliant about men. Majestic, powerful... Etc

And now?

No penis? Seems fine to be with women.
What is a woman anyway? Formless... Sexually submissive... Desperate for (any old) male sexual desire... Menstruators... Exist only as decorative objects... Should be seen and not heard... Are no more and no less than what a man wants them to be... Etc etc.

And the fact that 'debate' involves the word PENIS all the fucking time....

It's not women who are the issue here, it never has been...!

@scratchedbymycat that’s exactly how the adult human males in my sphere feel. It always comes down to “willies”. That’s what drives the whole show. Happy new year.

I think it does affect your DH.

If a 13 year old F identifies as a man then your DH will be sharing toilets, showers and changing rooms with an underage, unsupervised, undressed female. Massive safeguarding red flag.

His sports will now be mixed sex including pregnant, breastfeeding and post menopausal ‘people’ and he can’t say anything.

If he misgenders someone or uses the wrong word he could face disciplinary action at work.

If he has any direct reports at work that have religious or cultural beliefs that single sexed spaces are important, he’s going to have to educate and possibly discipline them if they complain.

If you have kids or nieces and nephews they will be learning at school and on tv that people can change sex, anti scientific terms and that it’s unkind to raise basic safeguarding concerns.

That's a really good way of putting it OperationDessertStorm Thank you.