DH has questions after watching Kellie JK

[Vaginasaurus]

I have just asked DH to watch the video with KJK and James Max. He has several questions as a result and is asking if anyone has statistics. DH supports me in everything such as sports, women’s spaces etc. What he would like are statistics about TWs surgery.

Do we have verified statistics as to how many TW actually have their full genitalia removed? TIA

No stats for you OP but here is a person who doesn't want the surgery but goes into schools to tell schoolchildren this is what a lesbian looks like.

Show this to your DH. That cheeky wink gets me every time.
There's also a full YouTube video featuring the same person if your DH wants to find out more about them.

Oddly I was just coming on here to ask for some statistics but I wonder whether I could partially hijack this thread - someone told me today that there could be 'over 500k trans people' in the UK and pointed me in the direction of a super-vague government statement about it which seemed to be a total 'finger in the air' of 200-500k

That would seem very high. I'm sure I read somewhere that only 6000 people have received a GRC. Where have the other 494k come from? What is counted as 'transgender'? Are there any breakdowns or is this total guesswork?

If anyone can point me in the direction of anything, that would be much appreciated.

(Actually, they didn't say 'could', they said that there ARE...)

Jenny the number comes from the stonewall definition of trans which as you can see is wide ranging!!

www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/faqs-and-glossary/list-lgbtq-terms

@LightningJenny

Oddly I was just coming on here to ask for some statistics but I wonder whether I could partially hijack this thread - someone told me today that there could be 'over 500k trans people' in the UK and pointed me in the direction of a super-vague government statement about it which seemed to be a total 'finger in the air' of 200-500k

That would seem very high. I'm sure I read somewhere that only 6000 people have received a GRC. Where have the other 494k come from? What is counted as 'transgender'? Are there any breakdowns or is this total guesswork?

If anyone can point me in the direction of anything, that would be much appreciated.

If you go by the terms detailed by Stonewall, it that cross dressers or gender non-conformists are trans, then suraly all women who wear trousers or jeans are trans. All men who wear pink shirts are trans. We're all trans in some way or other. Me, I like a chainsaw and have a workshop on top of wearing trousers. So Trans. My OH, he does the dishwasher and the clothes washing and cleaning - so trans.

It is bonkers. Totally bonkers. It is complete nonsense.

Stonewall estimates:

When the Gender Recognition Act of 2004 was introduced, it was envisaged that only a small number of people in the UK, maybe around 5000, would need to use the act to change their legal sex. By 2018 fewer than 5000, mostly men, had done so. But the idea of being “trans” has been redefined, such that Stonewall estimates “around 1 per cent of the population might identify as trans, including people who identify as non-binary. That would mean about 600,000 trans and non-binary people in Britain”.

from FPFW.

www.stonewall.org.uk/truth-about-trans#trans-people-britain

Again, it requires a set definition of trans, which we don't really have.

@Shedmistress Wow really!!!? But that's...actually I have no words here. No wonder the number would be so high. My jaw is on the floor.

@bishophaha Thank you - I'm glad I at least had one thing vaguely correct!

That’s the thing Jenny. Lots of ppl still believe that what we’re talking about it a tiny number of ppl with gender dysphoria hence “why can’t you just beeee kiiiiinndd?” they don’t understand how stonewall have created a definition so wide hundreds of thousands of ppl can fall under it. You’re not even actually required to present as the opposite sex to be trans, just saying you’re a women is enough

@Vaginasaurus

Thanks to all who have answered so far. I would have tried to find this info myself, but I have a brain injury and cannot find my former research skills. Also, apologies if my posts are incoherent!

Hi OP, I also have a brain injury that gifts me with executive dysfunction. A stonewalluk supporter actually told me this brings me under the trans umbrella! My thoughts? Da fuq it does!

@Theeyeballsinthesky I'm currently wearing an ice hockey shirt and jeans and playing a football management computer game, so I'll assume I'm transgender this afternoon.

@SomePosters

Imagine being so obsessed with what’s in someone else’s pants

Imagine using what's in your pants as a weapon to harm others (vast majority women and children) with devastating effect. Just imagine. Seriously, try really really hard to imagine that.

OP, Hope your DH is seeing a bit of sunlight… it took my DH a little while - moving from our liberal leftie live and let live point of view to, hell no!

The latest response I got from the person who quoted 'over 500k' at me when I asked what counted as 'transgender' was: 'Everyone who isn’t Cisgender - given that there are UK laws in place going back decades that apply specifically to those Transgender, it’s a little bit troubling that you are having any difficulty with this'

I think possibly I'm more struggling with the idea that over 500k people allegedly 'identify' with their birth sex but only 5000 have actually sought a GRC.

Laws going back decades in the UK? I’m sure they can cite all these decades old laws specifically about transgender to ppl (21st century law is not decades old)

@Theeyeballsinthesky That's what I thought. My head hurts.

SomePosters
Imagine being so obsessed with what’s in someone else’s pants

Yeah, it's got to be right annoying when all these people suddenly realise that the overwhelming majority of transwomen are fully intact.

"Approximately 0.5–1.4% of natal males and 0.2–0.3% of natal females meet DSM-5 criteria for gender dysphoria, with many of these individuals self-describing as transgender men or women."

www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53500-y

Note the disparity between the percentage of men and women, which is why numbers skew male. Also you don't have to have dysphoria to be trans...

[quote Polly99]This US study puts "bottom surgery" for transgender women (ie biological men) at no more than 13%.

[[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6626314/]][/quote]
Exactly. This is the particularly relevant bit of the article, OP. Again a noticeable disparity in the numbers of men and women going through with genital surgery... The vast majority (90-95%) of those millions of US males who identify as trans keep their male genitals...

"Genital GCS is generally less common than chest surgery, with prevalence rates of about 25–50% for transgender men and 5–10% for transgender women (7,9,32). For transgender women, genital GCS comprises a number of procedures, including vaginoplasty (most commonly intestinal or penile inversion) with labiaplasty and/or clitoroplasty, penectomy, and orchiectomy. Transgender women report bottom surgery at rates between 5–13% (7-9,32). Even more transgender women desire bottom surgery in the future: between 45–54% (7,9). Among non-binary people assigned male at birth, 1% have had vaginoplasty or labiaplasty, and 11% desire these in the future (7)."

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6626314/

@ANewCreation Thank you!

The sentence, "Thus, a person initially experiencing gender dysphoria may experience improvement or even complete resolution of that dysphoria as they progress through the self-actualizing process of transitioning to become a transgender person" is interesting.

I'm with it until the idea of 'transitioning to being a transgender person' because I thought transgender meant you had transitioned from something to something else and didn't want to be known by the original something anymore (eg you'd transition from male to female, not to 'transgender').

I'm sure I'll get to an understanding eventually xD

(Also, apologies @Vaginasaurus, I have derailed your original thread!)

It’s around 20% I think who have SRS. But having heard about the side effects and the e lifelong medical issues, I can see why some [genuine] transwomen (transsexuals in the legal language of the GRA) don’t do it.

The current problem is in the actions of Stonewall and other trans activists trying to introduce self-ID by stealth (self-Id is not a legal situation) a lot often a claim to be transwomen any old how.

Apparently being a woman is just a state of mind.

‘Willyectomy departments’

Nearly as good as good as ‘Himdia Willyboy’ that I read IW described as recently.

[quote LightningJenny]@Shedmistress Wow really!!!? But that's...actually I have no words here. No wonder the number would be so high. My jaw is on the floor.[/quote]
What might make your jaw drop even more, is the sheer number of men who say they are women, who are so proud of their cock and balls that they actively take photos of said cock/balls combo whilst in female toilets.

The only discomfort there with their genitalia is from the women and girls who happen upon them.

To those apologising for moving this thread along, my answer is - “please do”. DH has now got the information he wanted, thanks (nearly) all!

He is firmly on the gender critical side, but is totally fed up of me going on about it (his words, not mine). But then, none of this affects him really.

From the link BingoLingFucker posted from Fair Play For Women

“Conclusions:
We don’t know how many transgender people there are in the UK but estimates are up to 1%. The vast majority do not have a GRC and so remain legally the sex they were born. The vast majority also do not seek medical treatment so retain the anatomy of their birth.
Contrary to public perception the overwhelming majority of male-born transgender people retain their penis and are fully male-bodied.“