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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kellie Jay on Talk Radio with James Max

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Mollyollydolly · 29/12/2021 12:32

Worth a watch. How much do men hate women who say 'no'. When speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

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ArabellaScott · 29/12/2021 23:14

I hope Talk Radio have him on LOTS. He could interview Julia Hartley-Brewer. And Benjamin Butter. And Shon Faye. And Owen Jones! I can write a list if that helps. Grin

RepentMotherfucker · 29/12/2021 23:18

Oooh yes. I long for another Butter-gasp moment.

PegasusReturns · 29/12/2021 23:22

Radio is such a fabulous medium for the TRAs

PamDenick · 29/12/2021 23:25

You know who he should have on: his mother.

Mum, when you are changing for Zumba/aquareobics/bowls, do you mind disrobing in mixed company where a fully intact (but oh so lovely and elegant) male bodied person with great lipstick and cosmetic breaststroke or would you rather change in a single sex changing room?

(No disrespect to his mother who may or may not have already passed on - just for the example)

Whatthechicken · 29/12/2021 23:25

Oh a few more of these interviews and the fight is over for us women!! So much sunlight!! Maybe he’s a double agent? He’s so uninformed he doesn’t know what he’s shouting for (apart from personal glory), but I think he’s doing quite a bit of heavy lifting for us right now. Go on James, take on the women!! Seriously, you don’t stand a chance, but go on fella!!

PamDenick · 29/12/2021 23:26

Cosmetic breasts - typo

PamDenick · 29/12/2021 23:28

Or his daughter (again, no idea if he has one…

Imagine you’ve been arrested after the peaceful protest you were in hit out of hand (you know, the one about free speech)…

Would you feel it is appropriate to share a cell with Karen White? Or would KJM be more acceptable?

NotBadConsidering · 29/12/2021 23:31

Haven’t RTFT, but to me, his approach was completely thrown off by the fact that normally, radio interview guests obfuscate a bit, hedge their bets, give a little in their beliefs to appease their interviewer, and often make the interviewer seem knowledgeable by default. Posie did none of this. She knew her stuff, more than him, and didn’t budge to make him feel better. His arrogance of thinking he would just know what to say shone through.

PamDenick · 29/12/2021 23:34

Or, god forbid, imagine if his wife/sister/female family member had suffered the trauma/crime/ horror of being taped (again, I’ve no idea of his personal circumstances…
The rapist in the stand FEELS like a woman and the judge and court must address him as a female. How would that female relative deal with having to address her rapist as ‘she’? She raped me with her penis…
(Check out the elf Claire in Kent news if you don’t believe me…)

DoubleTweenQueen · 29/12/2021 23:44

@RepentMotherfucker Life-affirming image :D

Appledrop · 29/12/2021 23:58

Have noticed people adding their review of the discussion, primarily of James Max to talkradio's trustpilot grin uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.talkradio.co.uk

TinyRebel · 30/12/2021 00:01

@Snoozer11

I have trouble with the "choosing to be gay" part of the interview.

I understand it's only a small part, but PP has often struck me as being slightly homophobic and this doesn't help.

Being gay isn't a choice, and it is obscenely homophobic to suggest it is. I think a lot of sensible people will have been turned off when she mentioned that. Doesn't help with the "bigot" accusations.

Of course, the interviewer seemed like a total twat and she rightly wiped the floor with him in all other respects.

You ought to listen to Sheila Jeffreys (a lesbian) on this. I thought it was a bit of a strange thing to say until I listened to lesbian feminists explain it.
NotBadConsidering · 30/12/2021 00:59

And Posie didn’t say being gay is exclusively a choice, she said you’re either born gay or some people like Sheila Jeffries, who she mentioned by name, feel you can choose. She was the opposite of being homophobic, because she respects the opinions of those like Jeffries.

StellaAndCrow · 30/12/2021 01:09

This article explains a bit about Sheila Jeffrey's views:

www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/when-choosing-to-become-a-lesbian-was-a-radical-act/news-story/367fdd38d4084f4375b8f6b773863659

HandsOffMyRights · 30/12/2021 02:15

Brava Kellie Jay.

I've watched so many of her interviews (favourite being the one with 'Mr' Harrop) and I admire how she keeps her cool and on point.

The host really believes he had some 'gotcha' moments, when he just comes out of it badly. His questions were predictible and the usual tripe.
He was so desperate that he talks about KJ being cancelled and grapples for any foothold. She just bats it back calmly and concisely.

SantaClawsServiette · 30/12/2021 02:18

@MrsMadderRose

But people are being told this as if it's a medical fact, via stonewall "training" of so many organisations, it's coming from school, the police, even as he said some doctors.

I'm not defending him, but I think we need to understand that thinking this way is very common because people are being told to think this way. That is exactly why parents are willingly encouraging their kids to be subjected to such appalling harms. Because they think this is true and so that's what they need.

Yes, I think this is really important to understand.

For those of us that have been following this seriously, he sounds really behind the eight-ball, but what he is saying is where a lot of people still are.

I was so shocked last year having a conversation with a university friend I'd not seen in years, someone smart and who I considered no-nonsense, and who also had been exposed to the kind of education that typically gives one pause in terms of accepting new social trends without question. But she just totally had accepted the whole thing at face value.

SantaClawsServiette · 30/12/2021 02:31

@RepentMotherfucker

What seemed strangest to me is being 'staggered' by the perfectly normal, factual view that people can't change sex. He must remember a time when nobody at all thought that men could really become with it. It might be understandable for a young teen in a 'woke' social bubble to be surprised that not everyone agrees with trans ideology, but a man his age? I wonder how much of it was performative.

Yes. It was very 'old man struggles to appear relevant' wasn't it?

I do wonder with these people when they are so happy to spout shit like this what else they say that they don't believe. I mean do they really deep down harbour racist/homophobic views but know the 'right things' to say?

It does seem to me that the reason this has traction despite being obvious bullshit is that for many people it must just be something else they need to pay lip service to.

I'm sorry to say that I suspect some of these people are genuine.

I was struck at a recent right-think training event at my workplace how some of the other employees were just blown away by the material. They thought it was amazing, enlightening, they'd never thought about these things. They assumed the trainer had some kind of real higher knowledge to offer.

I can tell you, none of it was at that level, mostly it was pretty trite.

But while it's possible some were being performative, I am sure that wasn't the case for all of them. For some, it was new, it was something that was a whole new system they could adopt. And whatever old ideas they had, they just didn't come into it much, yk?

I figure maybe these are the same people who are always picking up new self-help books.

AlfonsoTheGoat · 30/12/2021 02:35

I love Kellie-Jay's courage and intelligence.

Leafstamp · 30/12/2021 07:21

[quote Appledrop]Have noticed people adding their review of the discussion, primarily of James Max to talkradio's trustpilot grin uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.talkradio.co.uk[/quote]
Genius!

Clicky link (I hope): uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.talkradio.co.uk

Leafstamp · 30/12/2021 07:24

Apologies if already posted, KJ has written up the experience in The Spectator:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-men-cannot-ever-know-what-it-is-to-be-a-woman

Bosky · 30/12/2021 07:41

SantaClawsServiette - "I'm sorry to say that I suspect some of these people are genuine.

I was struck at a recent right-think training event at my workplace how some of the other employees were just blown away by the material. They thought it was amazing, enlightening, they'd never thought about these things. They assumed the trainer had some kind of real higher knowledge to offer.

I can tell you, none of it was at that level, mostly it was pretty trite."

I can believe that. I witnessed people soak up arrant nonsense uncritically like sponges when I worked in the NHS. The worst were people working in HR but clinical staff can also be prey to unblinking acceptance of batshit notions that are given undeserved credence by being promulgated in official training sessions.

The "trainers" do not necessarily have a clue about what they are teaching either, due to the "training the trainers" initiative whereby displaced admin/HR staff are redeployed to deliver "training packages" in subjects they know absolutely nothing about. That Max character reacted the same way they would when challenged: shuffle nervously through lesson plan to find place in script and repeat whatever nonsense they had previously babbled.

Anyway, what I really came here for was to share the link to the TalkRadio YouTube video, as it includes an extra 3 mins of Max spraying bullshit and Kellie-Jay hitting him over the head with a frying pan Grin

James Max is a Trustee of the Royal Albert Hall - impressive CV so he cannot be excused as a dunce:

James Max BSc (Hons) MRICS

"James was elected as a Trustee in February 2012 and chairs the Marketing and PR Committee. He is also a member of the Programming and Philanthropy committees. He presents the Business Breakfast show on talkRADIO every weekday morning, is a columnist for the FT and Spectator and a regular contributor on Sky News, Channel 5 and on Radio 2. In the past has presented on LBC, BBC Radio London and TalkSPORT. He is also an advisor on strategy and investor and media relations to a number of companies in the real estate sector. Until 2017 he was an Executive Director and on the UK Board of BNP Paribas Real Estate and regularly acts as an advisor to the developer, Stanhope. He trained as a chartered surveyor at Cushman & Wakefield (formerly known as DTZ), was an investment banker at Morgan Stanley and subsequently head of UK activities for the Doughty Hanson & Co Real Estate Fund before pursuing a portfolio career in media, real estate and finance. James is also chairman of the Frinton-on-Sea Lawn Tennis Club and a committee member for the Ultimate News Quiz which raises money for two well-known children’s charities."

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Extract from James Max's interview with Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull:

7:39
KJK: Well if i want to go in a female only space and there's men in there who decide that they're women, then it's no longer a female only space is it?

JM: But then men were told, but they wanted to have men only places and then they were told that that was discrimination, they weren't allowed to do it.

KJK: So men were unsafe now they can't have golf clubs?

JM: Well it's not a question of, it's not a question of safe, it's just that it's cake and eating it, isn't it?

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James writes a column for the Financial Times called, "Rich People's Problems".

www.ft.com/stream/7db30e07-43e9-4ec5-8e88-e453f7ccf182

"Rich People’s Problems: Are private members’ clubs worth it?"
JANUARY 26, 2018

Extract

The truth is, I have a club problem — although not of the Presidents variety. (The four private members’ clubs that I belong to won’t support boorish, sexist or homophobic behaviour.)

Even if the property industry in which I have spent so much of my career is often locked in the moral dark ages, my expenditure is more wholesome. Yet the subs still drain my bank account.

As a freelancer, the whole concept of a club that’s open late, offers WiFi and flexible working space is very compelling. I don’t need an office to do my job, but I do need to meet people. All the time. WeWork will tell you that its business model will wipe out the private member’s club. I disagree. The only barrier to entry at a club is the sky-high fee. There’s no filter and part of the allure of a private member’s club is the waft of celebrity, notoriety or exclusivity.

Looking at my bank statements, Soho House is staying. Not only is its London offer superb, it would be too much to bear if I wasn’t able to bomb off to Oxfordshire to the Farmhouse — ostensibly, Center Parcs for people who shop at Waitrose. Anyway, the £1,650 annual membership fee is good value, payable in November and already done.

What about the clubs I don’t use so much? The Carlton Club, for example, is a lovely bufty tufty old place in St James’s. I have been a member for 25 years. If you wander around its curiously decorated, high-ceilinged old school rooms, with portraits of once-great politicians hanging resplendently, you might wonder if this is an old folks’ home for rich people or a waiting room for Dignitas.

And then there’s the dress code. The Carlton insists gentlemen must wear jackets and ties (if there is “exceptionally hot weather” then jackets can be removed in the Wellington Room or on the terrace).

I don’t like ties. And I rarely have time for lunches that start at noon and end at 6pm, but on balance the £1,542 they swept from my account on January 2 is money well spent. The food is economically priced and delicious, the house claret is exquisite and the ability to sink occasionally into an armchair for a snooze after lunch makes life worth living.

And then there’s the Queen’s Tennis Club which costs me £2,020 a year. But they have a great annual tennis tournament. It is worth it for that alone (I told you I had a problem!)

A good members’ club is about more than this. It helps with connections. Business is still about who you know, not what you know.

A few years ago, I joined a West End club called Century. At the time it was quite groovy. It’s been through many iterations over the years and recently on a visit I realised that it was nothing more than a smartish bar with average food and no interesting members. Ding. It’s gone. Is that enough of a cut? Of course not.

Since I am committed to my other establishments, the solution is clear. I’ll simply have to get more work. Any offers? I know a good club where we can go for lunch.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210524175828/www.ft.com/content/130f4ea6-01c1-11e8-9e12-af73e8db3c71" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20210524175828/www.ft.com/content/130f4ea6-01c1-11e8-9e12-af73e8db3c71

The Carlton Club

Membership to one of London’s leading members only clubs is open to both ladies and gentlemen.

Q: How do I join?

A: Candidates should be proposed and seconded by two existing Members who have themselves been Members for two years and have known you for two years. After consideration by the Scrutiny Committee, candidates’ names are entered into the Candidates’ Book where they must remain for at least two months before going forward for election. The procedure is the same for both UK and Overseas candidates.

Queens Club

Similar membership application rules to The Carlton.

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I wonder how many Ladies are members of The Carlton and Queens Club, which as Max says, "helps with connections. Business is still about who you know, not what you know"?

Presumably James's clubs all have mixed-sex changing rooms and toilets? If not, he must surely be lobbying his clubs to institute them? After all, why should those dratted Ladies and daughters of members have their cake and eat it??

PronounssheRa · 30/12/2021 07:48

James Max is sending out multiple self satisfied-sounding tweets. It now looks like it's all a bit of a publicity stunt to boost his rating. At first I thought he was just extremely stupid; now I think he's plain nasty and glorying in his two minutes of social media fame.

I think there is a fair bit of truth to this. He clearly knows little about the subject, KJK made him look foolish, but its got people talking about him

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 30/12/2021 08:04

@Snoozer11

I have trouble with the "choosing to be gay" part of the interview.

I understand it's only a small part, but PP has often struck me as being slightly homophobic and this doesn't help.

Being gay isn't a choice, and it is obscenely homophobic to suggest it is. I think a lot of sensible people will have been turned off when she mentioned that. Doesn't help with the "bigot" accusations.

Of course, the interviewer seemed like a total twat and she rightly wiped the floor with him in all other respects.

Do you think my friend lied to me?
ChristmasPlanning · 30/12/2021 08:27

@NancyDrawed

There are so many good bits..

1.04

KJK: I don't think any man can ever become a woman, no.

JM: So, then, there's the problem, isn't it?

KJK: What? Not lying?

JM: Well, it's not a question of not lying, it's a question of not necessarily understanding - that somebody can be born in somebody else's body. In the sense that you can be born physically a man or a woman, but inside you may be - and it has been recognised - that you might yourself an opposing sex in terms of how your brain works. Are you saying that that person should be discriminated against for the rest of their life because of the physicality of it?

KJK: No, I'm saying that what you have said there is absolute nonsense. There's no way that you can be...you ARE your body, there is no separation between your biological sex.

JM: No, no I'm sorry. I'm afraid that's wrong.

KJK: No (shakes head and laughs). In what possible way would the DNA of a human build all the cells one sex, except a tiny little bit of a brain that would be a different sex?

JM: Well, that's not necessarily... I mean, are you an expert in this?

My favourite part. He is a buffoon!
Ezydoesit · 30/12/2021 08:48

I agree that some (a very small minority) people ‘choose’ to be gay. Although I’m not sure that is the best word (maybe ‘prefer’?)

I know someone who was bisexual for many years, who has now declared herself to be gay. I think for her, that sexuality is a spectrum and (for now, maybe forever?) it seems her pointer is directed towards the homosexual end of the spectrum.

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