Sex offender dressed as elf in court.

[ArabellaScott]

www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/sex-offender-dressed-as-elf-admits-kissing-children-259646/

Has a history of appearing in court with teddy bear and sucking thumb. This previously:

'Verainer, asking to be called Jorven Seren and claiming to identify as a five-year-old girl, was jailed for 15 months for kissing a girl'

Thick and fast, lately.

I don't understand how people like this one and the dog rapist that was in the news recently can live with the shame of people knowing what they've done. Actually I do, they obviously get off on the attention, why else would they behave this way in a court of law.

@MrsMadderRose

I noticed that newspaper report says the person “was addressed as she” which they wouldn’t say about a woman. That is reassuring in they they’re basically saying “yes this photo does show a male” and not gaslighting their readers.

I’m hoping “transage” (as well as “transracial”) will contribute a large amount of weight to the tipping point that’s on its way. You’d have to be a VERY dim witted ally/organisation/school/politician to not realise that identifying as a child is a massive, massive safeguarding and predatory issue and that of course it’s going to be mainly about MH issues, taking the piss and access to kids. Then I’d hope they’d be able to put 2 and 2 together and see how much that applies to transgender too and that women are also at risk.

Isn’t it ODD how we don’t seem to hear much about transage people identifying as 95? Or 47? Hmmmmmmmm?

And the excusing of it begins less than five posts on from this one. It'll come.

@ArabellaScott

www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/sex-offender-dressed-as-elf-admits-kissing-children-259646/

Has a history of appearing in court with teddy bear and sucking thumb. This previously:

'Verainer, asking to be called Jorven Seren and claiming to identify as a five-year-old girl, was jailed for 15 months for kissing a girl'

Thick and fast, lately.

Jailed for 15 months for kissing a girl?!

@MargaritaPie

Obviously it depends on the person but regression like that (a grown adult acting like a child) can often be caused by mental illness or by a traumatic event.

Of course it's not a regression, at no point in this male person's life was (they) ever a little girl.

This is a sexual fetish, being enacted, because (they) can.

What were all these male persons doing before identity politics and the expansion of Pride to include fetishes etc? And why does it so often seem to be vary masculine looking ones?

@MargaritaPie

Obviously it depends on the person but regression like that (a grown adult acting like a child) can often be caused by mental illness or by a traumatic event.

At the time psychiatrists concluded the defendant had personality problems but no mental health issues.

Did you miss that bit MargaritaPie, just chose to ignore it, or feel you are better qualified to judge this individual's mental health than professionals who have actually assessed him?

Merry Christmas eh?

identifying as a child is a massive, massive safeguarding and predatory issue

Hm, it's almost like there may be an issue with people identifying into the group that is at risk from their actual biological group.

Did you miss that bit MargaritaPie, just chose to ignore it, or feel you are better qualified to judge this individual's mental health than professionals who have actually assessed him?

I seem to remember that inferring or implying that a trans person may have mental health issues was a deletable offence

And on that note, I suppose we're now going to have to figure out whether 'trans' is an appropriate word to use as well for transaged people, as for transgendered people; how both groups feel about that, whether any transgendered people would find that offensive, and what language hoops need to be lined up next to avoid reports and deletions.

Good point artichoke

It’ll be some nebulous ever changing rule that you don’t know youve broken til you get deleted and then you dont know why

Would the cluster of paraphilias be autogynephilia, pedophilia, autopedophilia and autoelfphilia?

So just to clarify to people that seem to be confused. The individual in this case appears to be a predator (I've not looked into the case but I see no reason to doubt what others have said) however comparing this delusional person with your average trans individual is not appropriate.

Trans individuals are not delusional. I am not going to justify this point cause I don't feel the need to justify my existence but I do need clarify, one individual, who believes they are an elf, does not and will not speak for the trans community at large.

Please don't conflate the two.

@thequeerteacher

So just to clarify to people that seem to be confused. The individual in this case appears to be a predator (I've not looked into the case but I see no reason to doubt what others have said) however comparing this delusional person with your average trans individual is not appropriate.

Trans individuals are not delusional. I am not going to justify this point cause I don't feel the need to justify my existence but I do need clarify, one individual, who believes they are an elf, does not and will not speak for the trans community at large.

Please don't conflate the two.

We don't, that would be Stonewall that decided acceptance without exception and Amnesty anyone is who they say they are, take it up with them.

I just finished reading 'Trans' by Helen Joyce. In one of the earlier chapters she delves into the history and evidence of transsexualism, and says that a previous study showed that a majority of transwomen had autogynephelia, which is basically a fetish of the idea that you are a woman, and sexual arousal at the idea/act (masturbation) of having sex with yourself (as that woman)

Therefore, if this man is trying to identify as a female and a 5 year old, is that because it sexually arouses him to imagine himself as a 5 year old girl (his pleasure comes from pretending to have sex with himself)... Is he admitting to aytogynephilia-paedophilia... In a courtroom where he is being tried for kissing little girls....

What the fuck.

For them to acknowlege him as a female probably turns him on. Its absolutely not ok.

The study was done in the 80s or 90s, and i think there have been no similiar studies due to the silencing and lobbying. It makes you wonder; is that the reason studies are being blocked, because they would show a direct link between transsexualism and sexual deviancy?

To me it feels like before we can just acccept there is an inherent gender which people can express (especially in court and in law) there needs to be some good eveidence it exists. And that it exists in goodfaith, and not in fucked up sexual fetishes.

@thequeerteacher

So just to clarify to people that seem to be confused. The individual in this case appears to be a predator (I've not looked into the case but I see no reason to doubt what others have said) however comparing this delusional person with your average trans individual is not appropriate.

Trans individuals are not delusional. I am not going to justify this point cause I don't feel the need to justify my existence but I do need clarify, one individual, who believes they are an elf, does not and will not speak for the trans community at large.

Please don't conflate the two.

You seem to be doing a lot of moving around the boards scolding and directing tonight.

I can manage to think and to post without your guidance thank you. And will make my own language choices.

It does make you wonder, sacred. I'm afraid your post probably won't last. This is one of the things some people are very, very keen that women don't discuss.

one individual, who believes they are an elf, does not and will not speak for the trans community at large

Sure. But do they talk for the elf community at large?

If they are so keen we don't discuss, then it likely points to an ugly truth.

The truth always comes out in the end. How many female prisoners and vulnerable adults and children get hurt in the meantime is the real shame

It's more than a shame. It's an outrage.

I really don't understand the mental processes that could allow someone to think that if a man identifies as an elf or a child, that's clearly delusional, but if he identifies as a woman, he literally is one, and that's stunning and brave.

Why can't an elf identity or an age identity be held with just as much feeling and genuine conviction and so be just as valid as a gender identity? 'It's different' with no further explanation isn't a good answer.

comparing this delusional person with your average trans individual is not appropriate.

We're not. It's the whole idea of 'self ID' which allows delusional people (and worse, clear but malicious thinkers) to be (mis) classified as trans.

No doubt many of the politicians and institutions still supporting 'self ID' are well intentioned but they're hopelessly naive. If they won't listen to women, I wish they'd listen to trans people such as Hayton who've been warning for years of the problems it will cause for trans people.

[quote Linguini]If the court affirm chosen 'gender' then why not age? Age is a spectrum, after all

Mexico have allowed changing the age on your birth certificate to cater for trans-age people.
If the UK goes that far this pervert could just identify as too young to go to jail and go to a youth detention centre instead.
What. Could possibly. Go wrong.

www.lifesitenews.com/news/mexican-supreme-court-affirms-right-to-change-birth-certificates-to-reflect-age-identity/[/quote]
This is fascinating - of course transage is the next logical step after transgenderism.

Curious to know what TRAs think about this?

@GreenWhiteViolet

I really don't understand the mental processes that could allow someone to think that if a man identifies as an elf or a child, that's clearly delusional, but if he identifies as a woman, he literally is one, and that's stunning and brave.

Why can't an elf identity or an age identity be held with just as much feeling and genuine conviction and so be just as valid as a gender identity? 'It's different' with no further explanation isn't a good answer.

Quite. There is no difference between identifying as one thing or another thing that in fact a person is not. At least a person identifying as an elf will not lay claim to resources society has put aside for those who genuinely do have that characteristic, are disadvantaged by it and require that resource for access and equality, and thereby affect those people's access and reduce the thing they cannot identify out of to an identity choice.

I will wait for the attempt to enter children's spaces by a transaged adult, because it will certainly come, and considering that women being sexually assaulted by self identified male prisoners is not regarded as a barrier to those male prisoners' freedoms of choice and best lives and authenticity, I very much doubt children's safeguarding will be given much consideration.