Sex offender dressed as elf in court.

[ArabellaScott]

www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/sex-offender-dressed-as-elf-admits-kissing-children-259646/

Has a history of appearing in court with teddy bear and sucking thumb. This previously:

'Verainer, asking to be called Jorven Seren and claiming to identify as a five-year-old girl, was jailed for 15 months for kissing a girl'

Thick and fast, lately.

On the off chance that anybody here ends up in court, seriously, self-ID. Self-ID into anything. Courts won’t give a shit and you’ll get a more lenient hearing, it seems.

@WarOnWoman

Crikey. Another one.

"Personality problem". Narcissism I should think.

IPSO guidelines are not fit for purpose. What will it take to make them change the guidelines? Are they Stonewalled?

I recall that one of the numerous self interested organisations "Press for Change"? was involved (when everything happened under the radar and #nodebate was being enforced) . They targeted the press and were successful in getting this Orwellian doublespeak policy implemented. Having seen the Mail pushing the boundaries of this with coverage of the dog sex abuser yesterday maybe there are signs that a powerful media outlet might be about to challenge this?

@Whatwouldscullydo

Well this is the end result isn't it. You accept one you have to accept the other. I live in hope that shit like this will be what makes judges etc decide need ti start dealing in reality/truth.

Well, it's not that you have to accept one if you accept the other, but it does mean that you should be expected to articulate why one is acceptable and the other isn't.

If someone believes that being transgender should be accepted without question, I would expect them to either a) think the same for trans racial, trans age or trans able identities, or b) articulate why these are different.

The only time I've seen anyone make a proper attempt at this is this article arguing why being transgender is different to being trans racial. And I think it doesn't hold water. If anyone has any other examples, I'd be interested to know!
bostonreview.net/articles/robin-dembroff-dee-payton-breaking-analogy-between-race-and-gender/

Having seen the Mail pushing the boundaries of this

The Mail have reported on this. Using 'she' pronouns throughout, but they do refer to the person as 'transgender'.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10339797/Thumb-sucking-paedophile-claims-identify-five-year-old-girl-comes-court-dressed-ELF.html

This is from the person's previous trial - www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/middle-aged-sex-offender-who-9403085

Considered 'vulnerable' but not to have any mental illness.

@Whatwouldscullydo

Well this is the end result isn't it. You accept one you have to accept the other. I live in hope that shit like this will be what makes judges etc decide need ti start dealing in reality/truth.

Not really because changing sex is fine but look at what happens when someone identifies as a different race.

If the court affirm chosen 'gender' then why not age? Age is a spectrum, after all

Mexico have allowed changing the age on your birth certificate to cater for trans-age people.
If the UK goes that far this pervert could just identify as too young to go to jail and go to a youth detention centre instead.
What. Could possibly. Go wrong.

www.lifesitenews.com/news/mexican-supreme-court-affirms-right-to-change-birth-certificates-to-reflect-age-identity/

Absolute lunacy. If I identify as a tall, slim, 20 year old model, will people accept me as such?

blue

This was a very interesting attempt to justify one and veto the other.

Was very well played.

Maybe worth noting that the offender ID'd as a five year old in previous trial and still ID's as a five year old girl. So it is persistent and consistent.

Good to see that clip again, scully. Jane Fae says that Jane 'fibs on Tinder' about age. So perhaps this is common?

This was in a crown court, so would have had a jury (at least that's the normal procedure) and they are designed so the jury can see the accused. If the accused is allowed to sit elsewhere the jury can't observe them, or not so easily anyway. Why this concession?

If I'd been on that jury the elf costume would have counted heavily against him, never mind all the other rubbish that was going on. It's showing massive disrespect to the court. I can't believe he had nothing else to wear - jeans & T shirt would have been preferable.

So... if courts, police, press and public are obliged to refer to this person as she, why aren't they also forced to treat them like an infant? Can't this person's lawyer claim they're too young to stand trial? The one thing makes as much sense as the other.

This one as well. They don't say what jail they were sent to www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-jailed-over-cocaine-fuelled-25770541

So will this individual be sent to a male prison, a female prison or a youth offenders centre?

I would love to hear an explanation of the reasoning!

If you indulge and enable one personal choice of reality, you have to indulge the next. And the next. And there will always be the type of person who will push this to the point it breaks.

As we've pointed out many times before, the 'no' will have to come somewhere. And it will have to be 'no' to everything, because it truly is all or nothing. Relying on the 'good chap' principle of 'no one will take advantage of this', particularly after the past few years of mounting evidence, is naive to the point of being worrying.

@JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon

So will this individual be sent to a male prison, a female prison or a youth offenders centre?

I would love to hear an explanation of the reasoning!

Coming soon to a day nursery near you.

Mind you, the Brownies will welcome them with open arms.

I noticed that newspaper report says the person “was addressed as she” which they wouldn’t say about a woman. That is reassuring in they they’re basically saying “yes this photo does show a male” and not gaslighting their readers.

I’m hoping “transage” (as well as “transracial”) will contribute a large amount of weight to the tipping point that’s on its way. You’d have to be a VERY dim witted ally/organisation/school/politician to not realise that identifying as a child is a massive, massive safeguarding and predatory issue and that of course it’s going to be mainly about MH issues, taking the piss and access to kids. Then I’d hope they’d be able to put 2 and 2 together and see how much that applies to transgender too and that women are also at risk.

Isn’t it ODD how we don’t seem to hear much about transage people identifying as 95? Or 47? Hmmmmmmmm?

Re the Mexico thing, I didn’t know that! - but - if you can change your birth certificate, doesn’t that mean you’d continue to grow up? So you’d start off as a 7-year-old girl or whatever but after a while you’d be 25. Or do they get to change it every year?

Thanks whatwould

So Jane's argument seems to hinge on transgenderism being a recognised medical condition, and I think that's something that many of us (maybe not all) feel like we can work with, but of course, we're being told all the time that transgenderism is a matter of identity and not a medical issue.

Five is below the age for criminal responsibility. So why are they even prosecuting? That's not very affirming is it?

Obviously it depends on the person but regression like that (a grown adult acting like a child) can often be caused by mental illness or by a traumatic event.

The dudes a sex offender. Just that

@BlueBrush

Thanks whatwould

So Jane's argument seems to hinge on transgenderism being a recognised medical condition, and I think that's something that many of us (maybe not all) feel like we can work with, but of course, we're being told all the time that transgenderism is a matter of identity and not a medical issue.

And yet the esteemed Caroline Noakes states it isn't a medical condition.

They can't ever stay on the same page.

Someone needs to grow a set and stop enabling these people.
There is something seriously wrong with a grown man that wants to identify as a 5 yr old girl and reporting such in the media gives them the attention they crave.
There is an underlying motive for actions such as these and kids are going to suffer at their hands.
Time for those that are enabling this to have a serious look at what is happening, the world is changing into a very scary place for woman and children.