The tone of this suggests further turning of the tide.. can we dare to hope!!

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10322699/ALISON-BOSHOFF.html

First time I've read mainstream reporting supportive of JKR!!!

The daily Mail, the Times and recently the Telegraph have been very much on the side of GC and JK.

I read this today. Bloody fabulous ❤️

Very good article. I have enormous sympathy for JKR. The level of hate spat at her is appalling.

It's the Daily Mail. As a right wing conservative paper, they've been consistently supportive of the GC movement.

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literally everything is ....

Are you saying that everyone who believes in biological reality and pushing back against regressive sex based stereotypes must be right wing and a tory voter?

Blueberry, my 32 year old DD is a signed up member of the Communist party, is totally GC and has published articles in the Morning Star against self ID.
You really need to ditch this fantasy that all GC feminists are "right wing".

@BlueberryCheezecake

It's the Daily Mail. As a right wing conservative paper, they've been consistently supportive of the GC movement.

Remember women are only allowed to read previously approved media sources. A list will be provided and all women must comply.

We have to get a grip about the political aspect.

I’ve always been left wing voter/
hater of the daily mail all my life but this is apocalypse dystopia situation where we have to push the shit out of every political party around to recognise and respect our sex, identity and lived experience.

We need to write to every single political party to let them know how we feel. We can’t leave it to chance. Then if they don’t listen and push on with self ID, well I will vote for whoever doesn’t. Even if that goes against my base politics.

I would rather read the Telegraph and Times now than newspapers that seek to erase women and support rapists. I’ll give the Mail a click for every GC article they produce.

@BlueberryCheezecake

It's the Daily Mail. As a right wing conservative paper, they've been consistently supportive of the GC movement.

Yes indeed, just like that well known right wing rag the Morning Star.

@BlueberryCheezecake

It's the Daily Mail. As a right wing conservative paper, they've been consistently supportive of the GC movement.

How is that an argument? We have a conservative government.

And the top rated comment, in support of JK, has over 20,000 upvotes.

@Babdoc

Blueberry, my 32 year old DD is a signed up member of the Communist party, is totally GC and has published articles in the Morning Star against self ID. You really need to ditch this fantasy that all GC feminists are "right wing".

Same in this household. DH a fully paid-up Commie! Also writes for the Morning Star. Gender critical to the bone.

@Babdoc

Blueberry, my 32 year old DD is a signed up member of the Communist party, is totally GC and has published articles in the Morning Star against self ID. You really need to ditch this fantasy that all GC feminists are "right wing".

It's hardly surprising that Stalinists and Marxist-Leninists share some values with right wing social conservatives. They always did, lots of state communists opposed LGB rights in the 80s claiming it was bourgois deviancy. Marxist-Leninists and social conservatives are both deeply authoritarian tendencies and have often occupied the same ground on social issues.

@Babdoc

Blueberry, my 32 year old DD is a signed up member of the Communist party, is totally GC and has published articles in the Morning Star against self ID. You really need to ditch this fantasy that all GC feminists are "right wing".

I was briefly a communist and am still very left wing.

barleybadminton I’m also a bisexual and very much in favour of gay rights. I’m also a fan of the rights that I have as a woman. I’m also GC in part because I very much object to the authoritarian tendencies of TRAs, not because I’m an authoritarian myself!

One can only laugh at a gender ideologist decrying authoritarian tendencies! Lack of insight, much?

I might add, I am a moderate Tory. My Communist DD and I can debate our polar opposite political views without issuing death threats to one another. Perhaps we could have the same courtesy from the TRAs?

I'm central/left leaning .. hardly right wing or tory voting but supporting different political agendas doesn't mean we can't agree on things.

Partisan agreement extends to other major issues .. we all agree murder is wrong, terrorism is wrong, slowly everyone is coming to the agreement on climate change and likewise it seems everyone on all sides can see the dangers to women and children the be kind and be quiet message has.

The left has totally lost its way. Gone is class analysis and in is the most capitalist, individualistic ideology possible. What better to create patients for life for a growing industry
Misogyny has always been rife in Left and Right. Now left wing beardies can enjoy more and more extreme misogyny whilst pretending to be progressive

@Babdoc

I might add, I am a moderate Tory. My Communist DD and I can debate our polar opposite political views without issuing death threats to one another. Perhaps we could have the same courtesy from the TRAs?

Well it's very low stakes isn't it. A communist revolution is not looking likely any time soon. Perhaps if it was, and the threat of violent wealth distribution was very real, those discussions might be a bit more heated.

@Babdoc

One can only laugh at a gender ideologist decrying authoritarian tendencies! Lack of insight, much?

I'm a bit surprised to discover if you vote Tory you are ipso facto a Stalinist. Someone should ask Boris why on earth he's proposing collectivising agriculture, Idk if that's a policy your average conservative is likely to get behind.

I'm a bit surprised to discover if you vote Tory you are ipso facto a Stalinist. Someone should ask Boris why on earth he's proposing collectivising agriculture, Idk if that's a policy your average conservative is likely to get behind.

It's perfectly possible to have radical and revolutionary economic goals but also to be deeply socially conservative and authoritarian. In fact thats pretty much what Stalinism is. That doesn't mean Stalinism and Tories are the same.

Though it is interesting that pretty much every authoritarian tendency from Stalinists to Evangelicals to Daily Mail social conservatives to actual died in the wool Fascists all oppose trans rights.

@Babdoc

I might add, I am a moderate Tory. My Communist DD and I can debate our polar opposite political views without issuing death threats to one another. Perhaps we could have the same courtesy from the TRAs?

You sound like a family I'd love to know!

Though it is interesting that pretty much every authoritarian tendency from Stalinists to Evangelicals to Daily Mail social conservatives to actual died in the wool Fascists all oppose trans rights.
I'm as GC as they come and absolutely do NOT oppose trans rights.

I want trans people to have the rights we all enjoy, to live their lives fully and completely. That doesn't mean that I want to medicalise children who haven't the mental and emotional maturity to make massive decisions about their bodies, or that I am prepared to sit back and see the rights of women to sex-based spaces (and sports) taken away.

So do bugger off with that argument.

Well said Grumpy. I'm generally a bit of a leftie but I don't find it surprising that anyone from the left, right or centre of politics, whether authoritarian or permissive, believes in the reality of either Biology specifically or science more generally. These are facts. Denying them does not make them any less true.

Trans people should and do have rights but rights are not some Top Trumps game in which being trans is somehow your highest scoring card. Others also have rights and protecting these is the best way to ensure we have the sort of society in which trans rights are preserved. Yes trans rights are human rights, but women's rights are also human rights.