The tone of this suggests further turning of the tide.. can we dare to hope!!

[loopyapp]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10322699/ALISON-BOSHOFF.html

First time I've read mainstream reporting supportive of JKR!!!

@barleybadminton

I'm a bit surprised to discover if you vote Tory you are ipso facto a Stalinist. Someone should ask Boris why on earth he's proposing collectivising agriculture, Idk if that's a policy your average conservative is likely to get behind.

It's perfectly possible to have radical and revolutionary economic goals but also to be deeply socially conservative and authoritarian. In fact thats pretty much what Stalinism is. That doesn't mean Stalinism and Tories are the same.

Though it is interesting that pretty much every authoritarian tendency from Stalinists to Evangelicals to Daily Mail social conservatives to actual died in the wool Fascists all oppose trans rights.

Not enough room in my head for my eyes to roll at this.

@barleybadminton

I'm a bit surprised to discover if you vote Tory you are ipso facto a Stalinist. Someone should ask Boris why on earth he's proposing collectivising agriculture, Idk if that's a policy your average conservative is likely to get behind.

It's perfectly possible to have radical and revolutionary economic goals but also to be deeply socially conservative and authoritarian. In fact thats pretty much what Stalinism is. That doesn't mean Stalinism and Tories are the same.

Though it is interesting that pretty much every authoritarian tendency from Stalinists to Evangelicals to Daily Mail social conservatives to actual died in the wool Fascists all oppose trans rights.

It’s “dyed in the wool”.

The rest of your post is even less worth commenting on, though I’d be vaguely interested to know which trans rights GC people are opposed to.

barley you are the people's poet and I claim my ten pounds.

Well it's very low stakes isn't it. A communist revolution is not looking likely any time soon. Perhaps if it was, and the threat of violent wealth distribution was very real, those discussions might be a bit more heated.

The condescension just oozes out doesn't it?

Does someone want to point the Grauniad in the direction of "Well done JK. The world is going nuts,and we have to stand behind anyone who believes in free speech..." and its 21998 thumbs-up votes?

@Babdoc

Blueberry, my 32 year old DD is a signed up member of the Communist party, is totally GC and has published articles in the Morning Star against self ID. You really need to ditch this fantasy that all GC feminists are "right wing".

I agree with you, thank you for pointing this out.

died in the wool

@BlueberryCheezecake

It's the Daily Mail. As a right wing conservative paper, they've been consistently supportive of the GC movement.

Funnily enough, I am a British citizen and I'm left-of-centre and always have been. I used to despair of my father reading the Daily Mail and raising his blood pressure through the roof.

I wouldn't say that I am part of 'the GC movement' either as I'm not entirely sure how you are defining it there.

I do however vehemently support freedom of expression and admire Maya Forstater and JK Rowling among others. I loathe gender identity ideology and the damage it is doing to children's and young people's bodies and minds, to girls' and women's sports, and to the safety of women in prisons.

Your 'gotcha' is really dreary and it doesn't work in the UK, where the biggest and most effective push-back against gender woo crap is happening - and is coming from the left-of-centre as well as the right-of-centre, between whom (in the UK) there can sometimes appear the thinnest of lines.

@BlueberryCheezecake

It's the Daily Mail. As a right wing conservative paper, they've been consistently supportive of the GC movement.

Wims, don't bother arguing with Blueberry about your leftwing credentials. Blueberry knows this is a left-wing dominated site, and that's the point of Blue's comment.

No-one bothers informing people they know to be right-wing that they're right-wing, because they would just say, "er I know. Your point?"

The aim is to smear left-wing people to other left-wing people, and to make traditionally left-wing feminists doubt their conclusions on this topic. The ultimate hope is that you will end up worrying so much about being right-wing that you will fall into line on gender identity philosophy and sign women's rights away, in order to buff up your left-wing credentials.

“Wims, don't bother arguing with Blueberry about your leftwing credentials. Blueberry knows this is a left-wing dominated site, and that's the point of Blue's comment.”

This is very true. I tend to get a bit defensive when people accuse me of being right wing! Which is pointless. Particularly given that I think one of best things about GC is what a broad church it is.

I don't read papers. Are the left writing articles that are unsupportive of JKR? Or are they just staying quiet?

I tend to think that anyone staying quiet (including slebs) are generally of the GC viewpoint and rather than risk anything by speaking out, they simply say nothing.

@BlueberryCheezecake

It's the Daily Mail. As a right wing conservative paper, they've been consistently supportive of the GC movement.

Because misogyny and science denying is left wing?

This is very true. I tend to get a bit defensive when people accuse me of being right wing! Which is pointless. Particularly given that I think one of best things about GC is what a broad church it is.

I think the whole point is to distract posters away from the topic at hand to defending their political views to keep them on the back foot. After all, if you're busy defending yourself you're not talking about the actual topic.

Which brings me round nicely to the article. I am so glad that JKR has creative control of Harry Potter. WB will try to extract as money out of the franchise as possible, of course, and the possibilities for that are seemingly never ending. I would really like JKR to insist on "J K Rowling's Harry Potter" in big letters on any future projects.

I voted for corbyn, I voted for John Smith, I vote for TUSC.

I am a feminist I dont believe in gender its a ideology invented in the 1940s to legitimize oppression.

Anyone who values freedom and equality would be GC.

It's perfectly possible to have radical and revolutionary economic goals but also to be deeply socially conservative and authoritarian.

Of course. And we see this authoritarianism in those on the left who say that those who disagree with them should lose their jobs or livelihoods. I'm sure many of those who hounded Kathleen Stock out of her job claim to be left wing.

And there is a very socially conservative aspect to many parents who trans their young children where it's clear they're thinking 'better a straight daughter than a gay son', wherever they are on the left-right political spectrum. In fact the whole idea of transgenderism is based around the socially conservative idea that there are some things which are only for boys/men and some that are only for girls/women.

@Babdoc

Blueberry, my 32 year old DD is a signed up member of the Communist party, is totally GC and has published articles in the Morning Star against self ID. You really need to ditch this fantasy that all GC feminists are "right wing".

Yes the CP have been very sound on this - as dialectical materialists. Also the SDP which I didn't know was still around. Gender extremists always try to paint us as right wing or Christian fundamentalist. JKR gave £1m to the Labour Party ffs.

Though it is interesting that pretty much every authoritarian tendency from Stalinists to Evangelicals to Daily Mail social conservatives to actual died in the wool Fascists all oppose trans rights

Would you not include the most vocal advocates of trans rights in the authoritarian, evangelical camp?

Heretic, though shalt not deviate from the received truth (transwomen are women), in any respect. If though darest so to do, thou wilt be driven from society. The merciful among us will allow thee to perform public penance and repent of thy sins. But most of us would prefer to see you witches burn.

And we also have tambourines to shake at you devil witches, while screaming " Repent m*f*s"!!!!!!!!

The ultimate hope is that you will end up worrying so much about being right-wing that you will fall into line on gender identity philosophy and sign women's rights away, in order to buff up your left-wing credentials.

True. And it wont bloody work!!!

I do sometimes wonder whether there's something else going on with this JK Rowling situation, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

The stories were very powerful to an entire generation, and I've wondered whether it's because they deal, essentially, with confronting your worst fears at the same time as going through puberty. One thing I notice about Harry Potter is that it deals with that sense of "being special" within a small ontology, only to work through and confront your demons to become a well-rounded and valuable member of society.

It's as though Harry Potter is a metaphor for puberty and teen growth and development, in some respects. 🤔

And, of course, this kind of narrative goes against certain accepted tenets of the gender movement.

@Packingsoapandwater

I do sometimes wonder whether there's something else going on with this JK Rowling situation, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

The stories were very powerful to an entire generation, and I've wondered whether it's because they deal, essentially, with confronting your worst fears at the same time as going through puberty. One thing I notice about Harry Potter is that it deals with that sense of "being special" within a small ontology, only to work through and confront your demons to become a well-rounded and valuable member of society.

It's as though Harry Potter is a metaphor for puberty and teen growth and development, in some respects. 🤔

And, of course, this kind of narrative goes against certain accepted tenets of the gender movement.

Interesting point.

More prosaically, I think it might be in the fourth HP book that the boys are suddenly not able to enter the girls' dorms? There is a spell on the door that "knows" the girls' rooms should be single sex.

If I come out of this right wing, I’m holding TRA’s directly responsible 🤣🤣

It’s hardly surprising the DM takes this position on trans issues, they were one of the worst papers for homophobia during the 80s and 90s

@Helen8220

It’s hardly surprising the DM takes this position on trans issues, they were one of the worst papers for homophobia during the 80s and 90s

The connection to homophobia and trans issue is ironic seeing how Stonewall is busy campaigning and homogendering homosexuality.