I feel let down and insulted by the stupidity of the gender worshippers

[NonnyMouse1337]

I sometimes wish there was someone, anyone, amongst the gender worshippers with some semblance of intelligence. Even their 'best' arguments are so utterly stupid that it's sort of quite sad.

I read and listen to people who are non-believers in gender theology and they almost always come across as sharp minded, witty and capable of rational interaction. Even if I don't always agree with what's said, I can sort of see the rationale behind their points. It's how I ended up changing my mind.

Gender worshippers, on the other hand, remind me of the creationists and the 'intelligent design' types that I and many others used to debate years ago. The sheer nonsense they came up with.... And they actually expected to be taken seriously!

I mean there could be some really interesting conversations between theists and atheists - proper theologians who had genuinely insightful comments that made me appreciate a spiritual perspective, even if I ultimately didn't agree with it.

And then you had the creationists / fundamentalist types with their 'If humans evolved from monkeys how come monkeys are still around huh? Huh? Gotcha!' 🙄
They would post all sorts of articles and videos 'debunking' evolution and atheism, or 'proving' science in the Bible or Quran or whatever, and it was kind of sad at how shite the arguments were. They were all variations on the same themes. It got really boring after a while so that you stopped engaging with them, and the muppets were so thick they actually thought it was proof they had won the argument.

But at least most of the secular institutions weren't taking them seriously. Simpler times.

Just a Monday morning reflection.

@Lacedwithgrace

Maybe if you don't insult their beliefs, they won't insult yours. It's how most normal humans navigate socialising and conversation.

Respect is usually earned. And the gender zealots that show up here have never shown any respect for women and their needs.

It’s timely that this thread is bumped as it has a reference to Abigail Shrier’s Harvard address. Bari Weiss has released a podcast episode with Abigail reading the speech.

overcast.fm/+vpWZPi04Q

Of course, it was attempted to shut her down, and in the end she was permitted to give the speech to just thirty people, but it was a belter nonetheless. Kudos to Bari for getting it out to a wider audience, and massive, massive kudos to Abigail for a barnstormer of a speech!

I think it’s true that it’s very hard to argue rationally with a faith-based position - and generally, people don’t. In a free society where we’re allowed to be atheists, most atheists don’t argue with religious people about how their beliefs make no sense. But that’s because usually, their beliefs aren’t being used to make policy that’s inflicted on non-believers or causing harms to a protected group, to children, etc. - and crucially they are also aware that their beliefs are faith-based and personal, so they can accept that other people believe different things.

In the case of creationism being pushed in education, people did argue back because it was religious belief encroaching and being used to make policy. That push also used a lot of pseudo-science to try to convince people, like gender ideology does, trying to pretend that a faith-based position is actually a scientific one, despite having no clear evidence and not hanging together logically.

lacedwithgrace I would not insult someone’s beliefs if they weren’t expecting me to agree with them, for example by letting males into my female-only spaces, using compelled speech, etc. I have religious friends and none of them have such expectations, they just understand that I don’t agree, and in turn I respect their religious feelings.

When genderism - which is illogical and not based on fact - is used to change laws that affect me and to disadvantage and control me, and to endanger kids - of course I will point out that it shouldn’t be because it makes no sense and is harmful.

I have religious friends

I would go out of my way to help them - no meetings during Friday prayer time

They would help me fight against the introduction of laws based on religion on discrimination - such as in Afghanistan or India

The Graham Linehan link for Abigail's speech seems to be broken but it is also available here:
abigailshrier.substack.com/p/what-i-told-the-students-of-princeton

And here:

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20211212204209/grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/what-i-told-the-students-of-princeton/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20211212204209/grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/what-i-told-the-students-of-princeton/

You will, each of you, have the chance to matter. You will find yourselves at hospitals or in banks or in courtrooms and at newspapers where you will see things happen that you know to be wrong—where you find that the standard line is actually a lie. You may have found yourself there already. If you’re fortunate enough, you may even find yourself one day with children of your own, knowing you are their best defense in this world. And you’ll feel the nub of your will, pressing you to do something—say something. And when that happens, don’t sit there like a sock puppet.

Just a small excerpt from the great speech.