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Teeside woman in court for exposing her penis and masturbating in public

276 replies

SocialConnection · 26/11/2021 00:54

News report here - unlike on their other articles, there appear to be no comments listed ................................

www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/teesside-woman-accused-using-sex-22260053

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Cascascascas · 27/11/2021 06:32

@ErrolTheDragon

You know I mean people can’t use trans negatively to hide sexual crimes

NotBadConsidering · 27/11/2021 06:37

I disagree with the view that articles like this are helpful if written deliberately in a way to make people more aware. What’s really needed is an article written truthfully by a news organisation with the resources to take any challenge to IPSO and make them shift their Stonewalled view.

MidsomerMurmurs · 27/11/2021 08:28

What’s really needed is an article written truthfully by a news organisation with the resources to take any challenge to IPSO and make them shift their Stonewalled view

Yes. I’d like to see IPSO actually sanction a newspaper for accurate reporting. The reporting of that process would be very eye-opening for the wider public.

JakeyRolling · 27/11/2021 08:51

@NotBadConsidering

I disagree with the view that articles like this are helpful if written deliberately in a way to make people more aware. What’s really needed is an article written truthfully by a news organisation with the resources to take any challenge to IPSO and make them shift their Stonewalled view.
Easier said than done - ipso can issue fines of up to £1million. Most don't have the resources to effectively be throwing money away.

The guidelines definitely need changed though.

ErrolTheDragon · 27/11/2021 08:56

[quote Cascascascas]@ErrolTheDragon

You know I mean people can’t use trans negatively to hide sexual crimes[/quote]
No, I didn't know you meant that. And I'm not sure it's true, in the light of the 'cotton ceiling' issue.

bumsnett · 27/11/2021 09:21

Should it not be 'their penis'?

OldCrone · 27/11/2021 09:26

[quote Cascascascas]@SocialConnection

A true trans person would not do this
It's these rare examples that hit the gossip crazy press and do so much harm to the transgendered.

No typical on trans and is sad.[/quote]
Are you suggesting that some people who claim to be trans aren't really trans?

How can we tell the difference between 'really trans' people and those who are just pretending? Is there a test that could be applied? That would be really useful.

Going by the proportion of males who identify as trans who are in prison for sexual crimes, either male trans people are much more likely than other men to be sex offenders, or there are a lot of male sex offenders who are pretending to be trans when they're not.

OldCrone · 27/11/2021 09:33

@bumsnett

Should it not be 'their penis'?
Why? We know the sex of this person. He has a penis. He is a man.
DrBlackbird · 27/11/2021 10:12

I’m thinking this out as I type but is it too far fetched to say that women have really only been ‘allowed’ (fought for) personal boundaries based on their sex class for the last 50 or 60 years?

And in response we’ve seen increasing hyper sexualisation of women in the last 20 commensurate with the rise in social media whilst witnessing the swift penetration of TR activism into public and private spheres.

Not suggesting this is all orchestrated but we seem to have arrived at a strange juncture of the concept of ‘woman’ being both erased and simultaneously repurposed or weaponised.

Woman now means whatever anyone wants it to mean in a newspaper headline, in decision about which prison estate to house a prisoner, for a political post. It is a breathtaking triumph in dismantling women’s boundaries and their right to set boundaries and in silencing opposition to the dismantling of their boundaries.

Yes there are women fighting back (on these boards and elsewhere), but isn’t it extraordinary how fast it happened and how unaware most people are? And most extraordinary how many intelligent and well meaning people (women!) seemingly accept that a baby’s gender can be assigned at birth and actively dismantle young girls boundaries (in telling them that women have a penis and that they have no right to question a male body in a female space).

DrBlackbird · 27/11/2021 10:13

And I have to admit that it wasn’t until JKR made headlines that I became alert to theses changes…

ErrolTheDragon · 27/11/2021 10:22

I’m thinking this out as I type but is it too far fetched to say that women have really only been ‘allowed’ (fought for) personal boundaries based on their sex class for the last 50 or 60 years?

Marital rape was only declared illegal in 1992 in the U.K. so more like 30.

NecessaryScene · 27/11/2021 10:22

Easier said than done - ipso can issue fines of up to £1million.

In theory. Never has issued a fine for anything, as far as I'm aware. Can't find any record of this happening, and here's one of several sources saying it hasn't:

hackinginquiry.org/ipso-report-exposes-impotence/

ErrolTheDragon · 27/11/2021 10:25

I'm pretty sure the IPSO guidelines must have something about truthfulness or not being misleading?

Triphazards · 27/11/2021 10:31

@ErrolTheDragon

I’m thinking this out as I type but is it too far fetched to say that women have really only been ‘allowed’ (fought for) personal boundaries based on their sex class for the last 50 or 60 years?

Marital rape was only declared illegal in 1992 in the U.K. so more like 30.

U.K., or England & Wales?
NotBadConsidering · 27/11/2021 10:36

Easier said than done - ipso can issue fines of up to £1million. Most don't have the resources to effectively be throwing money away.

IPSO: you wrote something untruthful. Here’s a fine for 1 million pounds.

Media organisation: women don’t have penises. Prove what we wrote was untruthful.

Let’s have it, I say. No way would an organisation have to pay a fine for that.

Charley50 · 27/11/2021 10:49

I think it's a really clever headline and should be celebrated, not complained about. As others have said, it makes the sex of the offender clear.

The skewing of crime data though, and the thought of this person being put in a women's prison, makes me furious.

NotBadConsidering · 27/11/2021 11:02

But TRAs are still happy that this person has been “correctly” gendered, based on Twitter threads. See also Chris Chan, who’s accused of raping his own mother. Plenty of people complained about him being misgendered. It doesn’t matter if the article is clever, or it “peaks” people or it’s strategically positioned with photos to tell the real truth, it’s still a lie that TRAs want to perpetuate, because if you can call a male sex offender “she”, then there’s no way you can call anyone less offensive anything but too.

ErrolTheDragon · 27/11/2021 11:05

I'm not sure, Triphazards - the references I've seen have said U.K. but I don't know if there was any difference in Scotland before that.

DrBlackbird · 27/11/2021 11:36

Stepping back from each of these individual cases, it wouldn’t be a huge leap to suggest that it’s more the satisfaction for activists that would come from the material manifestation of power. ‘See how others conform to our will’… Almost doesn’t matter the arena that this plays out in (could be ultra orthodox religions)… but an age old desire for power and control. Control most of all. This can result in a burning desire of one group to force or impose their beliefs over others.

JakeyRolling · 27/11/2021 11:42

[quote NecessaryScene]Easier said than done - ipso can issue fines of up to £1million.

In theory. Never has issued a fine for anything, as far as I'm aware. Can't find any record of this happening, and here's one of several sources saying it hasn't:

hackinginquiry.org/ipso-report-exposes-impotence/[/quote]
They might not have issues such a fine, but the threat is there and that will be enough to stop most in a cash-strapped industry.

There are however many journalists who believer TWAW - half the Scotsman staff for a start.

Charley50 · 27/11/2021 13:01

@NotBadConsidering

But TRAs are still happy that this person has been “correctly” gendered, based on Twitter threads. See also Chris Chan, who’s accused of raping his own mother. Plenty of people complained about him being misgendered. It doesn’t matter if the article is clever, or it “peaks” people or it’s strategically positioned with photos to tell the real truth, it’s still a lie that TRAs want to perpetuate, because if you can call a male sex offender “she”, then there’s no way you can call anyone less offensive anything but too.
You're right. The headline, and the reasons behind it, shouldn't be 'celebrated.' It does shine a little light on the dangerous madness.
KaycePollard · 27/11/2021 13:11

#NotOurCrime

Can't say more as I'd get an MN strike

#NotOurCrime

IamAporcupine · 27/11/2021 16:19

@MNHarpie

Emailed [email protected] To say there is an error in the new report. Quite probably a waste of time but we need to do this everytime or they wont get the message
I did too. I got this reply

Thanks for your email. We welcome feedback and healthy discussion at TeessideLive, and appreciate you taking the time out to contact us.

The Chloe Thompson story (dated 25 Nov 2021), raises important issues and we understand the concerns and sensitivities on both sides of this debate. Much like every other court story we cover, all details about the defendant are taken directly from the charge sheet and court listing, we cover the story exactly as it would have been covered in court - accurate reporting is a priority. All IPSO guidelines were adhered to.

Thanks again for taking the time to contact us about this matter.

KimikosNightmare · 27/11/2021 16:38

@ErrolTheDragon

I'm not sure, Triphazards - the references I've seen have said U.K. but I don't know if there was any difference in Scotland before that.
Rape within marriage was recognised as a crime in Scotland in 1982. This was a case where the couple were no longer cohabiting but were neither divorced nor judicially separated.

The first rape prosecution where a wife and husband were still living together at the time of the rape took place was in 1989.

CheeseMmmm · 27/11/2021 23:22

1992 is for England and Wales definitely.

I don't know about northern Ireland.