A trans-Identified BDSM fan/gun nut is now a senior leader at Girlguiding

[Scraggythang]

Via Glinner’s sub stack. Sorry if this has already been posted!

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/wtf-are-girlguiding-thinking

I'm beginning to wonder if this is actually not about inclusion, but about destroying a female only space?

Of course it is. I mean men akd males could have stepped up to run the scout troops but they didn't hence them having to be made mixed to keep them.runnimg and its used as an excuse now as to why can't boys be in guides.

There has never been anything stopping men and males setting up their own refuges and shelters etc

They don't want their own they just don't want women to have theirs

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I'm beginning to wonder if this is actually not about inclusion, but about destroying a female only space?

Im sure there is a lot of truth to that. It's a mens rights movement that does very little to help people with gender dysphoria.

Safeguarding is about prevention. The single most effective way to prevent predators in girl guides is to make it single sex. As it removes the cohort who commit 98% of all sex crimes.

Girl guides know this, and they don't care.

Transgenderism promotes detrimental gender stereotyping. Girl guides know this too, and they don't care about that either.

This isn't about whether or not their guide leaders can have a sex life. This is about endorsing an ideology that is detrimental to girls, whilst at the same time knowing it allows any predator in the country to have access to them.

And I, for one, am sick of TRAs saying hang on, this is just about someone's personal sex life.

I do not want my children to be put in a position where a man in authority over them gets turned on by BDSM, and exploiting power differentials. Him keeping it private doesn't make any difference as to whether I want him in that position. Keeping your kink a secret isn't really a recommendation as far as I'm concerned.

Where have we got the idea that somehow its a bit straight/vanilla/intolerant to prefer people who influence my children to have no fetishes at all?

@MrsFionaCharming

ARRRRGHHHHH

Sorry, but that’s just how angry this whole thing makes me.

I’m a Guide Leader. I’ve been in Guiding for 25 years, and it’s been such an amazing influence and shaped me as a person.

Safeguarding comes before anything else in my eyes, and I hate the idea that parents would withdraw their girls from my unit because of stupid decisions being made by HQ (that I’m ignoring anyway).

Not to mention that each one of these stories that comes out, we’re going to lose more and more members until the entire organisation crumbles. And then future generations of girls will be denied all the opportunities I’ve had.

This!

I’m a Brownie leader and have been involved in Guiding since I was a toddler and my Mum was a Brownie leader.

Reading so many messages about people pulling their daughters out is heartbreaking. We give so much of our personal time doing risk assessments, safe guarding training, and working with parents to create a safe and fun environment for their girls where they trust us to care for the Brownies, and then something like this comes along and deals us on the front line a massive blow. I give my time for the girls enjoyment, and seeing them happy makes it all worth it, but with more and more confusing policies being announced from on high (or even not announced - I had no idea we even had a policy on contraception!) the payback does seem to be getting smaller and smaller… and they wonder why we’re losing so many volunteers 🤷🏻‍♀️

Picked up by The Critic:

thecritic.co.uk/jeepers-creepers/

Debbie Hayton posted the article's closing thought on twitter:
"Some men enjoy making women feel uncomfortable. Could it be that transgender ideology has given those men an opportunity to go far further than they ever could have hoped?"

And look at the pronouns!

A good start.

Ok. The fact that he had pictures with children on his social media without hiding their identities is the final nail. WOW.

@ANewCreation

Picked up by The Critic:

thecritic.co.uk/jeepers-creepers/

Debbie Hayton posted the article's closing thought on twitter:
"Some men enjoy making women feel uncomfortable. Could it be that transgender ideology has given those men an opportunity to go far further than they ever could have hoped?"

What an article.

I don't think this individual in a one off. This is part of the trend of "inclusion" by GGUK. While leaders were struggling to keep things going over lockdown, largely unsupported by anyone up the chain of command, GGUK were carrying out an inclusion survey. In reality, they interviewed a minuscule number of people involved in the organisation (less than 300 IIRC) and decided we are all a bunch of racist, homophobe disablists who need to change our evil exclusionary ways.

My county has addressed this by appointing a new LGBTQ+ inclusion officer. This person has an extremely unusual name, that corresponds with a social media board I wouldn't want my children looking at, including such things as:

• a picture of the Lisa Simpson cartoon character bearing the caption "Ur cordially invited to fuck me senseless" ;

• I just punched shit;

• One day I'm gonna hurt you, I promise;

• You should fear me;

and

• Please use he/they pronouns.

So probably someone who doesn't even consider themselves to be female.

People in leadership roles and have contact with children obviously have private lives and sometimes they are less than squeaky clean. Anyone who uses social media to share their dark side is an immediate red flag, precisely because they are no longer keeping it private. To me, that indicates they have poor boundaries and judgment, and should not be working with children. However, the trend towards the celebration and normalisation of porn, kink, etc and GGUK's unthinking embrace of the TRA movement, in which this trend is integral, renders those of us who are disturbed by these things the "out of step" villains.

@Scraggythang

Ok. The fact that he had pictures with children on his social media without hiding their identities is the final nail. WOW.

I know.

He had been in both scouts and guides for long enough to know better than that!

I think it safe to say that anyone who is a divisional commissioner should actually know the GG rules and safeguarding rules.

I think that it will be very hard for GG to make any statement to the contrary and retain credibility.

@HoardingSamphireSaurus I took some photographs for a local playgroup recently (with parent’s permission) but I didn’t need to be told I should avoid shots with children’s faces or edit them otherwise they wouldn’t be usable for the website or social media.

I’m at a loss to why this wasn’t flagged at the very least? Surely they had GG team members following them? Or at least someone with some fucking common sense!?

The lack of judgment and understanding of safeguarding is quite chilling. This is not the organisation I loved.

I wonder if penis news will put a spin on this…

… somehow I think not.

@Whatwouldscullydo

The thing I dont understand is the dbs checks. I mean untrained busy people found all this stuff in seconds. So either the dbs/ screening checks aren't fit for purpose in which case which of those are universal checks everyone has to perform in settings with children etc? If they are the sake standard then no where is safe surely? We need more enhanced screening.

Or GG is lying and they don't check. In which case how may others working for them are currently unchecked and is that even lawful?

A standard DBS is a check on a possible criminal record - it catches those who got caught.

An enhanced level of check shows full details of a criminal record. This includes cautions, warnings, reprimands, spent and unspent convictions. It must also search the children and vulnerable adults 'barred list' to see if the applicant is prohibited from working with these groups.

Still only those who have been caught.

Even though MS openly says they are trans on their social media, presumably they would have gone down the 'top secret' sensitive DBS route to have their claimed 5 DBSs (3 of them enhanced ie working with Scouts, Guides and one other organisation with children/vulnerable adults) specially designed for males no longer using their birth name/sex.

What the DBS doesn't (and literally can't do) is check on social media, so won't pick up 'gun toting in a Scout uniform/BDSM mistress with whip/photos of identifiable children/'do you think I might bust out of this top' type, line blurring, boundary pushing, safeguarding nightmare crap.

That was the job of GG's supposedly 'rigorous' vetting procedure.

Even though there are enough 🚩🚩🚩🚩 for a jamboree, they failed.

There are 2 options here; both reflect very badly on GGs.

Either they didn't check MS' social media output, in which case vetting was not even basic, let alone rigorous.

Or they did check MS' social media output and found nothing concerning there.

It’s hard to know which one is worse. And as you say, scully, if vetting failed for this individual, how many others are there?

Either way, this is a safeguarding framework failure and means that Girl Guides are currently unable to carry out their duty to safeguard girls in their care.

Its so at odds with the organisation on the ground. GG is being destroyed by those paid to run it.

How does this happen?! Why arent thise runninh GG women who have worked uo the ranks rather than expensive board members with an agenda. Its supposed to be the one place that supports girls 😭

All that history as an organisation just ruined and overturnned by individuals with an agenda. We want GG back!!

Yes. It does bear repeating that a DBS wouldn't have found this. This would have been due diligence by the GG, and scouts!. Both of whome appear to have either missed or accepted it all!

As @ANewCreation says so clearly,m aking it a safeguarding framework issue. Their procedures were not robust enough to find what any number of women found in no time at all!

@SomepeopleareTERFSgetoverit

This photo in the Mail taken with a selfie stick beside a flimsy curtain - anyone else think it looks like a changing room? Looks like tags on the jacket and hangars behind.

The kind of behaviour that Never Happens…..

It's definitely a bedroom not a changing room.

David challenor was an assistant Scout leader

Daily Mail joins in - yes, I know, but worth a read

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10235539/Girlguides-launch-probe-trans-Commissioner-58-saucy-dominatrix-style-picture.html

You know, if this was really ok and to the benefit of young women and girls, then you would think someone would robustly defend their position.

Or indeed justify why they wanted to surround themselves with young women and girls when they know not what it is to be one.

Instead they make accounts private or delete them.

Why? What do they think is so troublesome that they need to hide it from people?

Here's the Girl Guides policy on contraception.

For 13 year old girls.

On girls-only residential events.

Why would this be needed?

How have they got here?

@Scraggythang

Ok. The fact that he had pictures with children on his social media without hiding their identities is the final nail. WOW.

Tbf I think the children in the picture of Sulley in a white wedding dress on their social media are young relatives not guides

@MNHarpie Ah. My mistake. I retract my statement. That part of the Critic article is a bit misleading, I’ll admit.