Adults are wrong to criticise ‘woke’ children, says Benenden head

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Has she been stonewalled?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2c743ce4-4ae7-11ec-9bc6-5abf98655bc4?shareToken=126806d1cce5d3397e820e042ca98924

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@ScrollingLeaves the girls school I am talking about has a biological female pupil who identifies as a boy. They do not as far as I am aware, have separate facilities.”

There would be no need for separate facilities in the context unless they felt it went counter to their sense of being a boy, I should think.

But what I had wondered was if any natal, biological boy who identifies as girl has been allowed to attend an all girl’s school?

But what I had wondered was if any natal, biological boy who identifies as girl has been allowed to attend an all girl’s school?

NAFAIK but there is bound to be a test case soon.

Friend went to millfield Forty odd years ago their progressive teaching was interestingly liberal. The effects waned as she entered the real world of work, marriage, childcare.

If you want your kids to have your values then don't ship them off to boarding schools.

@justasking111

Friend went to millfield Forty odd years ago their progressive teaching was interestingly liberal. The effects waned as she entered the real world of work, marriage, childcare.

If you want your kids to have your values then don't ship them off to boarding schools.

Hopefully your kids will have their own values.

I am woke(ish) until it comes to male bodied people taking part in womens' sport. Then I get very un-woke. Fortunately my 19 year old son finds it as unacceptable as I do.

Are these people giving up this priviledge or enjoying it heartily whilst announcing publicly how woke they are?

Quite.

The fact that social class and related inequalities disappeared almost completely from political and public debate is a travesty. I am foreigner but it is pretty obvious for anyone with two working brain cells that the private system of education is one of the most potent, systemic factors that work to reproduce systemic inequalities. An inclusion committee in a school where half of the students have live in servants is just ridiculous

Agreed. This Head is talking about luxury beliefs. The state schools that I work with that have countless children identifying as trans / nb etc have predominantly white middle class intakes. The schools with predominantly BAME / refugee / working class intakes where children face life challenges including poverty, deprivation, racism, poor housing etc have minimal interest amongst the student population. They have far greater life issues to face.

Funny that.

She sounds like jolly hockey stick of an idiot.

She sounds like a total airhead. She seems to think kids taking part in cancel culture is good (did I really read that?!) and that boys ‘shouldn’t be demonised’ by Everyone’s Invited, (WTF?).

Of course boys in general shouldn't be demonised.

She's not an airhead. Honestly, if you could hear yourselves!

''Everyone’s Invited'' isn't demonising boys Kikkomam

And she's not saying that it is.

Quote from Times article quoted up thread:

She said: “The issues emerging from the Everyone’s Invited campaign are extremely important and, thankfully, it seems as if some positive action is now coming out of the very concerning revelations that have been reported

“Topics such as what a healthy relationship looks like are built into the revised relationships and sex education curriculum.

“Lots of schools are taking the opportunity for these to be joint discussion sessions with boys and girls present. It is important that all schools work together on this topic and that the boys are not demonised.”

How is this an appropriate or relevant context in which to be worrying about male-owned feelings, generically? I mean, if you think about the very serious harms under discussion in Everyone’s Invited .. and the huge job that so many schools need to be doing to help tackle those, then why would some male’s potentially hurt feelings (assuming that’s what being said must be avoided?) even come up on the radar? It’s not about them.

@flopjustwantscoffee

There is a lot of force teaming going on in that article. For what its worth I don't think turning this into a battle of the generations is helpful - the situation at Sussex Uni was portrayed in some parts of the media as a woke snowflake issue. But while some of the students did behave awfully, its interesting they were incited to do so initially by other lecturers - who are probably older than me.

And just re climate - which ALWAYS comes up as the biggest issue young people are concerned with on surveys. We don't need to "keep up with their views" on the issue. The adults, in positions of power, need to actually tackle the crisis before its too late. I know that's of topic but I remember the "young people will solve this" mantra from when I was a child and its infuriating because it just breeds inertia. (Don't get me started on Shell sponsoring an exhibition for children on the theme of "you are the key to solving the climate crisis." No Shell, I think you as a giant energy company can do more than my 5 year old actually.
Sorry for the rant - but I think this all ties into a general trend of older people to basically abdicate the responsibility for being adults. Which is also an issue with the gender ID situation. And children NEED responsible adults.

I totally agree, and whilst I do think there is a generational battle - I don't think its the fault of young people. Adults have literally taught them / reinforced their reality - that gender is real & overriding and that sex is some kind of complicated and convoluted thing.

I just wrote a post about this elsewhere because to me this is the thing that I think will cause the most long lasting harm WRT the gender issues - The children/ young adults who have transitioned in this time on the basis that they believed they will be treated unequivocally in law and by society as TWAW or TMAM and for this to all come tumbling down. Its extremely unjust & unkind.

Adults and older lecturers should know better. In a way I hope they are just naive & short sighted and that in the future they put as much effort into fixing the harms they caused as they did creating them. Because the alternative is quite harrowing - its quite frankly psychopathic to promise and perpetuate this 'reality' to young people as a done deal.

And YY about the environment. Why on earth we are pinning our hopes on teen 'ecowarriors' resolving the climate crisis I have no idea. It can only be resolved by upgrading infrastructure, expert scientists driving technology advances at the cutting edge of their fields and the power of existing organisations (businesses & governments)

@ChattyLion

Quote from Times article quoted up thread:

She said: “The issues emerging from the Everyone’s Invited campaign are extremely important and, thankfully, it seems as if some positive action is now coming out of the very concerning revelations that have been reported

“Topics such as what a healthy relationship looks like are built into the revised relationships and sex education curriculum.

“Lots of schools are taking the opportunity for these to be joint discussion sessions with boys and girls present. It is important that all schools work together on this topic and that the boys are not demonised.”

How is this an appropriate or relevant context in which to be worrying about male-owned feelings, generically? I mean, if you think about the very serious harms under discussion in Everyone’s Invited .. and the huge job that so many schools need to be doing to help tackle those, then why would some male’s potentially hurt feelings (assuming that’s what being said must be avoided?) even come up on the radar? It’s not about them.

When she says "the boys", she means the boys attending the discussion sessions, not the boys mentioned in everyone's invited.

I agree male feelings shouldnt be front and centre, but ensuring innocent boys aren't demonised benefits girls from girls schools so they can see what healthy relationships with the opposite sex are like.