Adults are wrong to criticise ‘woke’ children, says Benenden head

[Igneococcus]

Has she been stonewalled?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2c743ce4-4ae7-11ec-9bc6-5abf98655bc4?shareToken=126806d1cce5d3397e820e042ca98924

@Kikkomam

So you have no working class or BAME teens who believe in transgender inclusion? OK then.

No, no we really dont.

You don't have to listen to her. It's a speech to the Private girls school association. If private schools are so irrelevant then just ignore her 🤷🏼‍♀️

No we really don't

I'm afraid you absolutely do!

That someone in a postion to influence the direction of schools then what she says will have some conquences in society, so yes we should listen and critisise when nessarry.

@Kikkomam

No we really don't

I'm afraid you absolutely do!

How weird that you know more about my work than I do!

Do you have the ability to see souls too?

I think I will just stop listening to you, if you dont mind.

@ArabellaScott

In Glasgow you could go to a school in Bearsden and a school in Easterhouse, just a couple of miles away as the crow flies. You could note the difference in height of children of the same age. You may also note various other differences, such as motor skills and co ordination, confidence, energy levels. You could also note the fabric of the respective buildings, the resources, the staffing levels, and a long list of other things.

These differences are apparent already in primary school age children, and they will break your heart.

I suspect you would find the staffing levels in Easter house considerably high what with classes being capped at 18 and also PEF. In our area there are schools in deprived areas that struggle to spend their money. The problems their kids experience can't be fixed by the school.

In primary ^

No large state comp has only one or two "misguided" middle class white students believing in transgender inclusion. You are kidding yourselves. And also, how on earth would you know? Do you sit and talk to every single teen in your school about it? Do you discuss it in PSHE with every teen? Don't be daft.

@Lovelyricepudding I struggle to believe any state school struggles to spend its money? Things must be very different in Scotland?

@Kikkomam This is a white middle class movement that has left working class, BAME and refugee populations behind (thank god)
That you dont currently accept that its a fashion and not some discovery of an inate aspect of human being will change, I will bet you 100 quid that in ten years time you will read these posts and cringe.

Kikkomam I see you are an advocate for ageism. What other discriminatory practises do you favour?

I will never cringe at the idea that it's important to listen to teens and hear what they are saying. I think perhaps the teens may cringe in years to come, but that's for them to work out for themselves.

“All schools should host talks with parents on inclusion, diversity and gender to help them to understand the “new language” of the younger generation, Price added.“

A “new language” Indeed. Coming from Stonewall or such like, and the internet not from the children themselves. Orwellian language. Let’s get the game of Chinese whispers really going till people have no thoughts of their own, no sense of their own physical reality.

I'd say some of the posts on here are pretty Orwellian tbh, and funnily enough also from anonymous posters on the Internet.

[quote Fariha31]@Lovelyricepudding I struggle to believe any state school struggles to spend its money? Things must be very different in Scotland?[/quote]
They have to prove it makes a difference to the child's attainment. And it can't be spent on things like improving the building. So yes there comes a point where yes it is difficult to make an additional improvement to that child's attainment through spending more money within school.

Well, my 17 year old thinks that the phrase "being kind" has become another cudgel for bullies to beat their victims with, and I expect you to agree with her without questioning her because as a teenager she is of course the font of all wisdom and to disagree would just be a bit mean, wouldn't it Kikkoman?

I'd say some of the posts on here are pretty Orwellian tbh

Like what? People are allowed to disagree that single sex private schools that most people can't afford are some sort of panacea for girls.

And then those same girls end up in the charity/public sector having an influence on other women with, as mentioned, their privileged, ivory castle view of what it's like for those other women and are magnanimously giving other women's and girls' rights away. You bet I'm not going to take #bekind lectures from the privileged.

Igneocuccus I think your teen is very wise and should be listened to

I wonder if any self identified trans girls are at any of the girls only schools ( either private or non-fee paying)?

I once saw that an all girl’s college in the USA accepted trans women (natal men) but not trans men (natal girls). It is an odd thought.

I think growing up in a family where everything you say can turn into a heated debate has trained her well lovelyricepudding

The fact that social class and related inequalities disappeared almost completely from political and public debate is a travesty. I am foreigner but it is pretty obvious for anyone with two working brain cells that the private system of education is one of the most potent, systemic factors that work to reproduce systemic inequalities. An inclusion committee in a school where half of the students have live in servants is just ridiculous.

This.

Once upon a time having money and a family name was what gave you status.

Now making sure you show off your progressive beliefs and/or consider yourself an activist for such is what seems to confer status - super handy for the rich as they get to look righteous and all the while issues of class and wealth go unexamined.

Handy that....

You don't have to listen to her. It's a speech to the Private girls school association. If private schools are so irrelevant then just ignore her

A it it in a national newspaper so I am allowed to comment.

B private schools are not irrelevant. They are the very tip of the iceberg in the type of society that exists in the UK. They are the breeding grounds for government and many agencies that hold huge impact on the country. But they are not and can never be 'woke'. If they were work, they'd have to immediately cancel themselves.

“Igneococcus
Well, my 17 year old thinks that the phrase "being kind" has become another cudgel for bullies to beat their victims with“

Well done to her. Being Kind is women’s undoing on many occasions. For example trying to say no politely and in such a way as not to hurt a man’s feelings - then they get raped.

If I were the headmistress of a girl’s school and say, “Watch out for being kind.”

@ScrollingLeaves

I wonder if any self identified trans girls are at any of the girls only schools ( either private or non-fee paying)?

I know of a girls boarding school (not naming it) where the staff are now dropping the word “girls” when they speak to the girls, because of a trans identified pupil. The school previously made headlines when their deputy explicitly rejected gender ideology a few years ago, so they have obviously now been captured.

Money won’t necessarily buy you an gender ideology free education or keep confused teenagers safe but it will keep biological males out of women’s spaces.