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Harrop MPTS thread 2

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Personwithrage · 18/11/2021 11:20

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Soontobe60 · 18/11/2021 16:13

AH: it's immense source of shame that my actions will have been viewed so negatively. Its an unpleasant thing to think about. My awareness has come into much sharper focus in the recent months

Does anyone else get the impression that he’s got all these stock phrases written on post it notes plastered all over his bedroom wall - much like my children did when they were revising for their A levels? Maybe he is practicing saying them in front of a mirror, making sure he’s shedding the odd tear for additional effect?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/11/2021 16:15

As to why it's all come into focus in the last few months Hmm, when was Arlene Foster's libel case against Dr Christian Jessen, where she had a resounding victory and got huge damages? I bet that gave AH a nasty jolt.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 18/11/2021 16:18

Yes

It all came into focus over the last couple of months

And a couple of days ago I gave an interview that rehashed it all and told people what I really think.

I has learned my lesson, I really has.

BoreOfWhabylon · 18/11/2021 16:19

@FindTheTruth

Abbreviations in the live tweets:

CH - Chair of the hearing

AH - Dr Adrian Harrop

RD - GMC representative Mr Ryan Donoghue

GP - Harrop’s representative Mr Giles Powell.

Giles Powell is GMC representative.* Ryan Donohue is Harrop's representative.
  • I am absolutely certain of this
Gastonia · 18/11/2021 16:21

I bet that gave AH a nasty jolt. I would think the fact that Dr CJ (who is better known) only raised just over £10k may gave given him pause for thought.

FlyingOink · 18/11/2021 16:24

I've just read the Vice article. It's very one-sided and doesn't go into any detail about what Harrop has said online.

FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 16:25

"let's fast forward 2 or 3 years and along comes a new SM platform, let's call it Meta, how would you tell me you wouldn't do the same thing again"

"I think I'd recognise the warning signs of this ilk and how they can develop". BUT 'due to my suboptimally developed insight that stopped alarm bells ringing' ....

Look what you made me do

Harrop MPTS thread 2
Lovelyricepudding · 18/11/2021 16:26

AH: it's immense source of shame that my actions will have been viewed so negatively. Its an unpleasant thing to think about. My awareness has come into much sharper focus in the recent months

But he doesn't admit he has done anything wrong

FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 16:27

@BoreOfWhabylon whoops. must have posted that 5 times!

CriticalCondition · 18/11/2021 16:28

I need to go out but I don't want to miss how he tries to explain the Vice article. I bet his Counsel will be buying himself an extra G&T for the train on the way home just for that. Oh, to be a fly on the wall.

FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 16:29

Does anyone else get the impression that he’s got all these stock phrases written on post it notes plastered all over his bedroom wall

Yes. absolutely. and drilled in by his solicitor too perhaps?

Jeeeez · 18/11/2021 16:29

Giles Powell is GMC representative.*
Ryan Donohue is Harrop's representative.

  • I am absolutely certain of this

NO!! The tweeter made a mistake this morning

LaetitiaASD · 18/11/2021 16:30

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

If it caused E a sense of alarm and distress that public are looking at her Instagram profile that's her problem

What a total...if I had a term to use to describe AH here that was not a slur for female genitals I'd use it.

[Without knowing full details of AHs tweets]

To be fair I have some sympathy with AH there.

Obviously spending hours going through a strangers social media and then rubbing their noses in it / threatening to dox / commenting on kids etc is very bad, especially for a doctor.

But there is an awful lot of truth in the idea that if you don't want random people - who could be rapists or paedophiles, not simply disgusting bullying misogynists - to look at your kids details then don't have public instagram accounts.

BreadInCaptivity · 18/11/2021 16:31

AH: (too fast) people like E are sensitive and they suffer and don't understand the person I actually am.
RD: was that you throwing these people another comment?
AH: no. The only person that is responsible for me being here today is me. I'm not interested in having another dig.

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Christ on a bike.....

Nobody understands meeeeeee....everyone is just over sensitive...

ANewCreation · 18/11/2021 16:34

Not on twitter, so maybe I don't really understand the ins and outs, but I thought that block lists were a thing - so why did AH feel a need to actively engage with people whose opinions he seemingly despises?

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 18/11/2021 16:35

Thank you for new thread!

I cannot imagine how that Vice article can have anything but unpleasant ramifications for AH.

What a fucking own goal.

FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 16:36

LIVE TWEETS
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We are back.

Chairman: have you had a time to talk about the Vice article?
AH: yes
Chairman: do you have questions Mr. Donahugh?
RD: you've read it?
AH: I've skimmed it
RD: there's a number of quotes are they accurate

AH: They are accurate.
RD: how did the article come ro be?
AH: my friend Ben hunter reached out as a friend saying he'd like to write an article in support of me and my experience.
RD: did you know it'd be published this week?
AH: no

RD: going to read a few quotes, AH believes it was an orchestrated campaign against you. Do you believe that's the case
AH: no, that quote was from a long response to Hunte
GP: says not the quote can we have the full quote
RD reads full quote

RD says he read it full the first time.
RD: is that your understanding of what happened
AH: in the early days there was an element of people organising amongst themselves complaints to the GMC. That's what I referred to an orchestrated campaign.

AH: My perception at the time was that it was a well oiled machine against me. (I'm confused by what he's saying here) but it's right the GMC looked into it and I've explained in some depth that parts of the conduct were well below the standard for a doctor

AH: although the way its quoted that that's my belief but that's almost a historical reference. However that does nothing to dismiss or reduce the significance of being here today. I understand its the right and proper outcome.

RD: one other matter and another quote. 'Doctors do have a powerful voice I didn't realise I'm under constant scrutiny. The most foolish thing I've...' what do you mean by foolish people

AH: (too fast) people like E are sensitive and they suffer and don't understand the person I actually am.
RD: was that you throwing these people another comment?
AH: no. The only person that is responsible for me being here today is me. I'm not interested in having another dig.

RD: one more issue and in relation to Dr Sens question
Chairman says RD has had his time.
RD says it is relevant and in relation to what Dr Sen said and has a document to bring in
GP objecting to bringing in another document. Says its not fair at this stage.

Chairman asks the date of the document and said it could have been included in the bundle as it was six months ago. GP not accepting it. Chairman says its not appropriate to being in the document now and can't have such high relevance if it hasn't been included before.

GP is going to paraphrase the article and sets out the concerns professor kumar has and asks Haroops if he said that. AH says yes. Chairman says Harrop is released from witness seat.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/11/2021 16:40

AH in that Vice article states indignantly that there was an organised campaign to complain to the GMC about his conduct. What he doesn't seem to get is that as I recall many people, mostly women I would imagine, posting here and on Twitter, were aghast and angry at the way he was behaving. More than one suggested complaining to the GMC. There was no compulsion on anyone to take up that suggestion. The many people who did follow through on it presumably did so for the most part because they genuinely felt he was bringing the medical profession into disrepute and was behaving in a way that suggested he was not safe to practise as a GP, especially with women patients.

He mentions somebody providing a template letter as if this somehow invalidates any response. This is a standard tactic in any campaign. IIRC, activists keen to get the GRA reformed did exactly this to provide a one-click way to send in a response to the govt. consultation a few years ago.

Betty91 · 18/11/2021 16:41

Hang on - he's learnt his lesson in the last 6 months but spoke to Vice 5 minutes.

FlyingOink · 18/11/2021 16:42

Wouldn't he have been told not to discuss this disciplinary hearing before it took place? Surely that would be standard advice?

RedDogsBeg · 18/11/2021 16:42

Is that it for the day then?

FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 16:43

Compare and contrast 'you will not win' in the Vice article vs.

Chairman has two matters. Not withstanding the contend of the debate, what's your personal opinions of how your words can be viewed by a member of the public?
AH: ...I understand the foul & abrasive language reflects poorly in me and as a doctor.

AH: It's a profound source of regret and may have a negative effect from the public on me and the medical profession
Chairman: do you think they undermined the public's trust in the profession
AH: (missed a bit) even if it was a minor degree it would cause me to regret

reesewithoutaspoon · 18/11/2021 16:44

@FlyingOink

Wouldn't he have been told not to discuss this disciplinary hearing before it took place? Surely that would be standard advice?
I'm pretty sure he will be aware of that, he just doesn't think he's in the wrong so it doesn't apply to him.
CharlieParley · 18/11/2021 16:44

@FindTheTruth

LIVE TWEETS

The Adrian Harrop Tribunal
@tribunaltweets

We are back.
RD: just want to look briefly at the issue of 'insight'. You've said your insight was partial in 2018/2019
AH: yes
RD: when do you think your insight has begun to develop
AH: to a significant degree in the last 6 months

AH: My org is fantastic org and had some xonvis with senior members an dlooked at why I conducted myself in a certain way. Looked at triggers in situs and why that was a maladaptive way of viewing the situation. Only ever wanted to do the right thing

AH: it was maladaptive and it was wrong and I was point scoring and gaming idea. It felt joyous scoring these points.the likes, the retweets, I was given awards for it. It made me feel a rush of adrenalin and dopamine. I thought I was doing the right thing. I realise now

Having done that work ...(getting upset) sorry...I've learnt since then and I understand it all in such a different way and that's only started to hit home in last 6 months.

These claims about having gained insight, feeling remorse etc, are they not directly and unequivocally contradicted by his statements in the Vice article?

Will the tribunal weigh up his statements made in that interview that he is being wrongfully persecuted against his tribunal witness statement where he accepts he is being rightfully investigated?

Signalbox · 18/11/2021 16:48

Will the tribunal weigh up his statements made in that interview that he is being wrongfully persecuted against his tribunal witness statement where he accepts he is being rightfully investigated?

I'm not sure if they will be reading it. Has an application been made for it to be included?