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Harrop MPTS thread 2

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Personwithrage · 18/11/2021 11:20

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FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 12:01

Allegations 1 to 11

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FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 12:02

Allegations 12 to 15

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FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 12:05

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RD is going to go through unadmitted tweets.
Chair: are you going through 17 tweets? Now it's been amended to 38 tweets directed at E. Surely we just need to determine 38 are inappropriate. It was accepted that 38 were inappropriate.

RD: it's relevant because of the cyber bullying allegation
Chair: whether it's 38 or 55, I can't envisage it's make an enormous difference. There are a lot.
GMC: we debated that earlier. We appear to be going back.

iklboo · 18/11/2021 12:05

Thank you.

nauticant · 18/11/2021 12:06

AH now explaining why he was keen to share details of the children of one of his targets. This comes across really badly on twitter, I wonder what it's like in the room.

FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 12:10

You can see from the tweets that they are looking at Allegations 14 f , 14 g and 15 which all concern Harrop's tweets towards 'person E'. See the Allegations sheet. Tweets about the Crowdfunder and so on.

Hoardasurass · 18/11/2021 12:10

The only thing that comes to mind when reading the tweets is that someone should have told Harrop that 1st rule when you find yourself in a hole is stop digging.

Personwithrage · 18/11/2021 12:11

@jeeeez absolutely! No criticism at all! I had guessed at what had happened and am immensely grateful to those attempting this feat!

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Sexnotgender · 18/11/2021 12:12

@nauticant

AH now explaining why he was keen to share details of the children of one of his targets. This comes across really badly on twitter, I wonder what it's like in the room.
Will be interesting how he tries to spin that one.
FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 12:12

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RD: if we could look first at tweet number 9, 415 of GMC bundle. Do have that? Thread starts earlier on 413.

Rd: Starts with E referencing debate on kiwifarms. We see your tweet (he read and too fast it's about doxxing). Tweet 9 appears which is about personal notoriety and psychological trauma. Mother of child is autistic, is autistic

AH: that person is talking about that child of E being autistic.
RD: and your tweet referred to same child?
AH: 'the' children refers generally
RD: do you agree tweeting about others children is personal and private and it was inappropriate to comment on public

AH: E brings up repeatedly the fact they have children so I wouldn't regard it as a private matter. I would concede that me and a medical profession writing in those sorts of terms writing about anyone's children could be characterised as inappropriate. I'm regretful

AH I've reflected on in depth now after reading the guidelines. It's a profound source of regret for me. Same themes as other tweets you've drawn my attention to

RD: looking at 10/11. Another reply from the other individual. Draw attention to all the accusations about doxxing E had a public Instagram with all children's details. You're telling her there she had a public profile

AH: I wouldn't characterise it like that. E had an account with all her information on it. When this tweet was written the account has gone or locked down. I was drawing attention to their hypocrisy.

AH: E so fixated in details of children remain private but then had it all publically available. E comments incencasntly she has 5 children. Commenting on the hypocrisy of the statement
RD: (reads out the tweets) you've viewed the account and the photos of children

AH: I'm sure E would characterise anyone who looked at her profile is a stalker.whixh I say it's not the case if someone puts the info out into public consumption. Whether I've looked at it or it doesn't tell you one thing or another

RD: You wanted her to know you'd seen it
AH: I would hope E was already aware of that fact as was public. If it caused E a sense of alarm and distress that public are looking at her Instagram profile that's her problem

RD: look at tweet 13, (reads tweets too fast about homophobia)
Chair: is it being put that this tweet was inappropriate?
Can I make it clear we've read through all these bundles.
So going through that isn't helpful.

Chair wants GMC to explain why it's inappropriate.
GP: we just thought it was a generic appeal to stop
Chair: had this person asked AH to stop tweeting at this point?

RD: I hope to explore. Ah makes the point its a doctored screenshot. Did you check at all before you referred that in your tweet?
AH: it's very difficult to tell and it's some years old so wouldn't be able to verify if it was true or not.

AH: my impression at the time...which is horrific in its context...horrifying..it fitted quite comfortably in the course of conduct by the specific individual. No reason to doubt E had written something so heinous

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/11/2021 12:15

GP speaks really quietly despite multiple requests to speak up

I don't want to get into speculation about a stranger's medical history, but just to say that I think this may be for a health-related reason that is beyond his control.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/11/2021 12:17

Thank you @FindTheTruth. The people doing the live tweeting are fantastic, but I find it so much easier to follow through your posts, rather than the individual tweets (not a criticism of the tweeters at all).

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 18/11/2021 12:23

If it caused E a sense of alarm and distress that public are looking at her Instagram profile that's her problem

What a total...if I had a term to use to describe AH here that was not a slur for female genitals I'd use it.

AnyFucker · 18/11/2021 12:24

Following. Thanks all Flowers

Soontobe60 · 18/11/2021 12:24

@nauticant

AH's approach is sensible: it was a robust debate that he was justifiably exercised over, where things went toxic, this was because he'd innocently said something that was interpreted very negatively by the recipient. It's quite easy to mix contrition into this without have to do the full sackcloth and ashes routine.
What exactly do you think he innocently said that was misinterpreted by the person he directed it to?
FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 12:24

YW MissLucy.

Just looked up the last tweets yesterday, and I think they're looking right now at Allegation 14 g, 14 g i (tweets about E's family) and 14 g ii (continuing to post tweets to E after she ask AH to stop)

14 g stem re inappropriate is denied

14g i admitted to all tweets but has difficulty w some wording, exactly who it is referring to.

14g ii admits continuing to post, 'not sure when realised'

Personwithrage · 18/11/2021 12:26

There's a general tone coming through this defence that AH still thinks of himself as completely in the right. Despite his "profound regret" and "reflection" he gives absolutely no indication that he things it was wrong

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FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 12:27

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AH: I didn't say at any stage that E had said this
RD: you know she would have seen it?
AH: I would have hoped she would.

Chair: are you suggesting that someone tweeting someone else's tweet must be able to verify the tweet?
RD: in this case yes

RD: (too fast and moved to E's workplace.) We've seen you refer to A's job too
AH: Not place of work but job yes

RD: (reads tweet) Reference to Es former employement of E
AH: it was an oblique reference. I think that's on very shaky ground. It may of course relate to an area which E used to work but doesn't refer to that place of work.

RD: this is around the time of the injunction. Is that what ten minutes to landing means?
AH: it was in reference to C serving papers to E...it refers directly or indirectly...( I didnt understand what he said)

AH: that tweet was only written because C was in the process Es home address to serve high Court papers. I wrote this in ehat you might call dark humour.

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Replying to @tribunaltweets"Because of course E deserved it" being the subtext

YetAnotherSpartacus · 18/11/2021 12:28

Placemarking

OvaHere · 18/11/2021 12:28

@Personwithrage

There's a general tone coming through this defence that AH still thinks of himself as completely in the right. Despite his "profound regret" and "reflection" he gives absolutely no indication that he things it was wrong
Right side of history innit?

Everything is justifiable in the name of the cause.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/11/2021 12:28

I don't think @nauticant is agreeing with AH, @Soontobe60. She is pointing out the logical thread (such as it is!) or his argument and how it could be an effective defence.

Posters are trying to follow the logic of AH's defence, in order to anticipate how it will play to the panel. It doesn't mean that they support his arguments.

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 18/11/2021 12:31

I'm regretful

Did he really say that? What a tosser. Hardly full of remorse is he.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 18/11/2021 12:32

This tweet they are talking about - this is when one witness took a selfie outside this other witness' home?

I remember that. Struck me as sinister at the time.

FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 12:34

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RD: (reads tweet) Reference to Es former employement of E
AH: it was an oblique reference. I think that's on very shaky ground. It may of course relate to an area which E used to work but doesn't refer to that place of work.

RD: this is around the time of the injunction. Is that what ten minutes to landing means?
AH: it was in reference to C serving papers to E...it refers directly or indirectly...( I didnt understand what he said)

AH: it was an oblique reference
RD: did you intend it to be oblique when mentioning cabin crew
AH: E had published themselves they used to work in that role, widely known what E had put out in the public domain

RD: let's look at tweet 50. This you accept is direct reference to E. (Reads tweet about blocking and allegations)
But of course it was and there's references to location relevant to E?

AH: this is an area I was aware the area was nearby
Chair: when did E request no further interaction from AH
Rd: 10th April
Chair: do have evidence if there were continuing tweets?
GP: this is a point I objected too. E withdrew (too quiet)

Chair saying he may need a discussion with colleagues about this. It's one thing that E hasn't made any further ref to AH after this point. Is it not a different thing if E continues to refer to AH?
RD: yes I can't argue otherwise

RD: the GMC objects to the number of tweets directed at an individual.

RD, GP, GMC discussing if ok for AH to respond to tweets made by E after she said stop.

GP clarifying it's the number and content and the number if time tweets presided over that GMC is concerned with.

FindTheTruth · 18/11/2021 12:36

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Chair is asking what's a best use of the time. RD is saying he was going through the tweets thematically and would come to specific details as working through. Chair asks to cover it more broadly. RD agrees.

AH interrupts to ask to go the toilet and CHAIR decides to stop for lunch. Back at 1.30

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