Harrop MPTS thread 2

[Personwithrage]

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[quote Fariha31]@Datun Its like he thinks he is playing a game.[/quote]
Yes, either that, or a genuine inability to understand what remorse is.

Has anyone got a feel for how it's going for AH?

From what I'm reading he's not coming across as plausible in his remorse/reflection but I can't pretend to myself that I'm forming that opinion from a position of neutrality (as the panel will be doing).

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Dr Sen paraphrases AD'S evidence.
Sen: when you first saw Dr kumar and Dr Cooper, you looked at the guidance superficially and cast them aside. The guidance has only come come be a thing for you in last 6 months. You've been a salaried Dr since 2019

Sen: when did you finish your membership exam, did you have a chance to read the guidance.
AH: I did have knowledge of it but only for purposes for passing the exam.

This is different from holding information dear that remembering things for an exam
DR sen: would some of it not sunk in?
AH: I'm speculating to be truthful...lost my trail of thought.. ask me question again.
Dr: would some of that info not have sunk in?

AH: due to my suboptimally developed insight that stopped alarm bells ringing. Obvs when revising for an exam one has a lot other factors that makes one less perceptive if those types if thing. I'm regretful to say that opp passed me by

Dr Sen: you can't really say insight is complete but in this specific instance...let's fast forward 2 or 3 years and along comes a new SM platform, let's call it Meta, how would you tell me you wouldn't do the same thing again

AH: If a new SM came along I think I'd recognise the warning signs of this ilk and how they can develop. One example on present day, I've removed myself from Twitter but I still have an Instagram account. It doesn't have the same sort if exchange if ideas. It's a different animal

These instances don't arise o Instagram so I have an awareness of what those platforms would be. My insight has developed over an extensive period of time and I'd recognise those characteristics and would choose not to engage. However there may come a point that engaging on SM.

..would fine once a time gap has extended somewhat. Going back on twitter now wouldn't be a very good idea. It would be a triggering environment. Nothing is impossible bit I'm about has certain as I could I wouldn't repeat mistakes

I still can't wrap my head around why he did the Vice article. I mean some of this might have washed with the committee if it wasn't for that.

The Scorpion and the Frog. It's his nature. If he gets away with it now he will just get more and more extreme.

Ah ok, so it was J. K. Rowling. I thought it was, but couldn't quite remember.

He honestly can't think that saying sorry is going to wash. It's his entire M.O.

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Dr Sen: from your evidence, your colleagues seemed to be very supportive, would they remain supportive. I do get a bit emotional when I talk about where j work (getting upset) from first day they knew about situ and stood by me.

One of the support mechanisms we gave a named senior colleague and we have check ins particularly someone like me who has certain vulnerabilities. I'm confident those warning signs would be recognised by colleagues.

Chairman has two matters. Not withstanding the contend of the debate, what's your personal opinions of how your words can be viewed by a member of the public?
AH: ...I understand the foul & abrasive language reflects poorly in me and as a doctor.

AH: It's a profound source of regret and may have a negative effect from the public on me and the medical profession
Chairman: do you think they undermined the public's trust in the profession
AH: (missed a bit) even if it was a minor degree it would cause me to regret

Has he ever apologised to A B D or E?

If not, why not? Will he be invited to do so?

Is he on drugs?

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Dr Mufti:how do you think your other colleagues think of that
AH: there's been a diversity of opinion. Some said there was nothing wrong with what you said, their understanding may be limited. I imagine colleagues who don't know me would likely take a dim view as how I've engaged

AH: it's immense source of shame that my actions will have been viewed so negatively. Its an unpleasant thing to think about. My awareness has come into much sharper focus in the recent months

Chairman hopes that's the last we need to hear of AH evidence.
GP: do your colleagues know you're here. Have they expressed support?
AH: a massive amount and a multitude of messages wishing me back to work.

Arrogant, toxic shite gave no fucks about the vulnerabilities of those he intimidated and bullied on Twitter despite several of them asking him to STOP and now he's all I'm vulnerable, feel sorry for meeee.

Next up the Vice article.....

This should be interesting.

I wonder if his colleagues are aware of what he's actually done?

And he appears to be saying that the only way he can stop this behaviour in the future, is to avoid Twitter.

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AH: It can be demonstrated by my feedback questionnaire.
Chairman thanks AH for last few days. Giving a quick chance to discuss a news article with your counsel, 15 minutes should be enough. We'd like AH to be finished today.

I'm confident those warning signs would be recognised by colleagues.

So AH is expecting his colleagues to take responsibility for keeping his behaviour in check, rather than learning to control himself?

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I'm confident those warning signs would be recognised by colleagues.

So AH is expecting his colleagues to take responsibility for keeping his behaviour in check, rather than learning to control himself?

Always someone else's fault or responsibility.

I would not enjoy being his work minder.

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I'm confident those warning signs would be recognised by colleagues.

So AH is expecting his colleagues to take responsibility for keeping his behaviour in check, rather than learning to control himself?

Exactly.

He's effectively admitting that he's still capable of crossing the line or that he doesn't know where that line is - but it's ok because his colleagues would tell him (after he had done it).

I'm also no convinced by this I'm all good on Instagram (reference to the Terf repellent badge on his NHS lanyard posted there - is that appropriate to wear to work??? 🙄) and Twitter is just toxic so if I stay away from that it's all ok.

I really wish that Instagram post had come up in questioning as it blows his whole platform defence out of the water.

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This one

Dear o dear o dear Talk about a misjudgement. It would almost appear as if he were faking everything he now says. Wouldn't it?

The 'supportive' colleagues, etc., are those who side with him and bearing in mind the work he is now doing you'd be surprised if they didn't so that's hardly a ringing endorsement.

AH: If a new SM came along I think I'd recognise the warning signs of this ilk and how they can develop. One example on present day, I've removed myself from Twitter but I still have an Instagram account. It doesn't have the same sort if exchange if ideas. It's a different animal

And yet his offensive 'terf repellent' badge was right next to his rainbow NHS badge on his Instagram account post...

I,ve been a witness a few times at NMC hearings and they come down like a ton of bricks on anyone being dishonest or lacking insight into what they did wrong, or trying to pass blame and not accepting responsibility for their actions.
But if you stand there saying you realise you did wrong, you regret it all, add in writing a nice little reflective essay about what you have learned from the whole thing and you will get minimal sanctions if any.
A sociopath/psycopath would have no problem faking what was needed to minimise consequences.

Surely anything he says in or about that Vice article.undermines all the shame, reflecting and new understanding stuff. He has said that with his new understanding he wouldn't do/write that these days.

And the GMC man asked some timing related questions. So I would fully anticipate a comment about him having said one thing, maybe referencing that tweet to another GO being censured, and then going ahead and talking to VICE just before or during this hearing.

As the VICE article is being discussed surely it cannot be easily dismissed as proof that he is utterly lacking in contrition, has no understanding of his current position and doesn't actually see his actions as having been at all reprehensible.

I don't see how he can walk away from that. He is still, at the time of his hearing, repeating the behaviours that raised the hearing in the first place.

Chairman .... We'd like AH to be finished today.

I bet they would. Crocodile tears must be very wearing after a bit.

I am not as invested in this as some.And I do know something of courtrooms and the credibility of witnesses. In my view, he has been hopeless, clearly still sees himself as the victim, still very angry with E in particular, whiny, irritated by the repetition and very arrogant, eg it’s only other doctors who don’t know him personally who would disapprove of his behaviour. I think he’s in for a nasty surprise.

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The 'supportive' colleagues, etc., are those who side with him and bearing in mind the work he is now doing you'd be surprised if they didn't so that's hardly a ringing endorsement.

And I doubt even AH would be dim enough to reply, "No, they can't wait to see the back of me, and have the Bollinger on ice, in the hope I'll be struck off" 😀