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Harrop MPTS thread 2

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Personwithrage · 18/11/2021 11:20

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NonHypotheticalLurkingParent · 18/11/2021 18:13

So the Vice article is all his friend Ben Hunte’s fault. He didn’t know it would be published, perhaps as a response to the Daily Mail’s the day before… really?

If I were Ben Hunte I think I’d be re-evaluating my friendships!

KaycePollard · 18/11/2021 18:16

v much like the advice he gave that other doctor, and therefore none of it rings true at all.

Although if it's the other doctor I'm thinking of, she didn't broadcast what could have been interpreted as death threats on Twitter in response to his alleged* harassment.

  • trying to stay on the right side of whatever laws are at play here ...
Terfasaurus · 18/11/2021 18:18

It’s hugely unlikely he’ll come away with anything more than a warning. I do believe that the GMC are on to him, I strongly suspect that they wanted the Instagram post admitted as evidence, but it obviously came too late in the process.

The tribunal have only considered the cases of witnesses A B D & E and none of the wider context or history, so are likely to take Harrop’s side.

I would love to be wrong, but I do not believe he has learned a valuable lesson beyond being sorry that he was caught.

BreadInCaptivity · 18/11/2021 18:20

AH: these tweets are only a glimpse of the extent of the abuse coming from the other side. It got to a point the level of abuse and harassment, both online and IRL, became unsustainable. Benefit of my own mental well being j can't continue to engage

In other words he stopped because it was hurting him.

He gave no thought to the hurt he was causing others.

It's so frustrating reading this evidence (thank god I wasn't at the tribunal).

It seems so obvious that his level of regret and reflection is wafer thin and appears to centre on the impact to himself rather than others (eg to reference the comment about wishing he'd never heard of E).

BreadInCaptivity · 18/11/2021 18:22

@Terfasaurus

It’s hugely unlikely he’ll come away with anything more than a warning. I do believe that the GMC are on to him, I strongly suspect that they wanted the Instagram post admitted as evidence, but it obviously came too late in the process.

The tribunal have only considered the cases of witnesses A B D & E and none of the wider context or history, so are likely to take Harrop’s side.

I would love to be wrong, but I do not believe he has learned a valuable lesson beyond being sorry that he was caught.

I'm also bracing myself for the possibility he'll just get a slap on the wrist 🤯

dyslek · 18/11/2021 18:27

'but that's almost a historical reference'

Almost a historical reference? how can something be almost historical? it is either a historic reference or it is not?

Its like saying something is almost truthful.

AyeRobot · 18/11/2021 18:28

Slap on the wrist and he'll become yet another anime avatar account.

Still, at least we got the posie clip out of his activism.

nauticant · 18/11/2021 18:35

In the tribunal AH set out his future plans:

twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1461350325168705541

teawamutu · 18/11/2021 18:38

I'm struggling to see how a medical professional admitting to getting a dopamine hit from bullying people online is going to help him in a fitness to practice tribunal.*

What next? "I knew she was a terf so I got a dopamine hit from giving her a painful smear"

If I walked into his surgery wearing my AHF hoodie for a smear test, and saw him, that's exactly what I'd fear.

That's why I want him away from female patients.

Motorina · 18/11/2021 18:41

@Terfasaurus please stop fretting. Please trust in the process. Panellists are generally not idiots and matters which undermine confidence in the profession are normally taken very seriously. That's especially true when insight has only developed relatively close to the hearing date.

It will be fine.

Have a bath and a glass of wine and try not to worry.

WinterTrees · 18/11/2021 18:43

@Terfasaurus

It’s hugely unlikely he’ll come away with anything more than a warning. I do believe that the GMC are on to him, I strongly suspect that they wanted the Instagram post admitted as evidence, but it obviously came too late in the process.

The tribunal have only considered the cases of witnesses A B D & E and none of the wider context or history, so are likely to take Harrop’s side.

I would love to be wrong, but I do not believe he has learned a valuable lesson beyond being sorry that he was caught.

I know less than nothing about the official process of all this, but I'm steeling myself for him to be let off very lightly too, because men like him just tend to be, don't they?

However, he has been exposed and publicly humiliated, and given his swaggering hubris and gloating, bombastic misogyny there is some satisfaction in that. I was particularly pleased to see that he'd snivelled about learning his lesson, which seemed fitting when in one of the tweets he's been questioned on he pompously demanded that a woman do exactly that (after she'd apologised and before deleting her account. FFS.)

The angry woman-hater has stripped of his self-importance and forced to face his own abusive behaviour. I truly hope he gets the book thrown at him too, but even if he doesn't, his departure from social media is still something to celebrate. It's not very often it happens that way round.

userlotsanumbers · 18/11/2021 18:45

I've always been confused about irony since Alanis Morrisette, but this tribunal is taking place in anti bullying week, yes? Have the stars aligned?
Huge thanks to those writing & collating the tweets, I am literally agog reading them.

dyslek · 18/11/2021 18:47

@Artichokeleaves If he'd posted this anonymously then whatever, much of it would just be unpleasant twit posting anonymously, but he chose to do it under his real name with his real job.

Its not just that he used his real name and job, the job gave him legitimacy, and that ligitimacy contributed to the fear his victims felt. He used his status as a doctor to intimidate people he did not like in public.

dyslek · 18/11/2021 18:48

And he knew it.

Jeeeez · 18/11/2021 18:48

I know this is a different case but I observed some of the (still ongoing) HW tribunal and have to say that I was very impressed by the questioning and thoughtfulness of the panel members

CovidCorvid · 18/11/2021 19:00

@Terfasaurus

It’s hugely unlikely he’ll come away with anything more than a warning. I do believe that the GMC are on to him, I strongly suspect that they wanted the Instagram post admitted as evidence, but it obviously came too late in the process.

The tribunal have only considered the cases of witnesses A B D & E and none of the wider context or history, so are likely to take Harrop’s side.

I would love to be wrong, but I do not believe he has learned a valuable lesson beyond being sorry that he was caught.

I think sadly you’re right. He’s trying to come across as remorseful now and chances are they will swallow it. Only good thing is if he gets away with it he won’t start up again because he wouldn’t get away with it twice. Plus I’m sure this will have caused him a lot of sleepless nights. I reported him to the GMC a couple of years ago but they responded saying they weren’t taking action but I’m glad they have now.
MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/11/2021 19:16

[quote dyslek]**@Artichokeleaves* If he'd posted this anonymously then whatever, much of it would just be unpleasant twit posting anonymously, but he chose to do it under his real name with his real job.*

Its not just that he used his real name and job, the job gave him legitimacy, and that ligitimacy contributed to the fear his victims felt. He used his status as a doctor to intimidate people he did not like in public.[/quote]
I agree that this is the crux of the issue.

Whitefire · 18/11/2021 19:16

@Fariha31

Is he on drugs?
To be honest that would probably be his best line of defence.
Northernlurker · 18/11/2021 19:23

Trust the tribunal. They take public confidence in the profession very seriously and they see people day in, day out who have fallen short of what's expected. They know insight, sincerity and remorse when they see it - and when they don't.

WomenTalkingAboutARevolution · 18/11/2021 19:34

@yourhairiswinterfire

Having done that work ...(getting upset) sorry...I've learnt since then and I understand it all in such a different way and that's only started to hit home in last 6 months

Riiiight. Did it ''hit home'' before or after his Instagram post talking about spraying women he disagrees with with some kind of disinfectant fluid (that he calls 'terf repellent')?

Hmm

Every time I see sprays labelled ‘terf repellent’ my mind goes to acid sprayed on women to ‘teach them a lesson’
CompleteGinasaur · 18/11/2021 19:45

I have a suspicion that that association hasn't escaped him, WomenTalkingAboutARevolution. He seems to have a rich and extremely nasty imagination when it comes to the kinds of revenge he thinks women deserve..

Rightsraptor · 18/11/2021 19:46

If he is allowed straight back to work no doubt there'll be another 'anti-trans conspiracy' with coordinated reporting, by MN vipers of course, of Insta & FB (whatever) posts to the GMC. Again.

Only a matter of time.

CompleteGinasaur · 18/11/2021 20:25

And he does like women to learn their lessons..

KaycePollard · 18/11/2021 20:26

He used his status as a doctor to intimidate people he did not like in public

This.

And he used his position as a medico to claim moral and intellectual authority over those with whom he disagreed.

If one wants to get technical and persnickety, a medical doctor only has undergrad degrees and is outranked by a real doctor ie a person holding a PhD. Ie. One of the people he harassed

But Dr Haddock behaved in what appears to be an arrogant manner, assuming his opinion is the only correct one. Reminds me of a certain Guardian journalist - who’s now appearing on the Jeremy Vine show (oh how the mighty have fallen).

MissFenella · 18/11/2021 20:45

A god complex is an unshakable belief characterized by consistently inflated feelings of personal ability, privilege, or infallibility. ... Someone with a god complex may exhibit no regard for the conventions and demands of society, and may request special consideration or privileges.