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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What are your views on drag?

124 replies

Ladyday1995 · 07/11/2021 23:08

I never really started thinking about this until the other day. But honestly I personally can't stand it. It's so completely insulting to women, it's an ugly caricature based on strange men's ill informed ideas about femininity. Everything about it is so gross, the cattiness, bizarre sexual overtones, the disgusting makeup and clothing. I just cant understand things like "drag queen story time". They've done that at my local museum much to my horror.

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ArabellaScott · 07/11/2021 23:12

Just tedious, overdone and dated, tbh. I used to quite enjoy some drag but mostly find it boring these days.

It's obviously not children's entertainment, never was supposed to be.

MrsFin · 07/11/2021 23:13

It should be banned IMO. It's men parodying women.
It's no different to wearing an Afro wig and blacking up and that's, rightly, banned. So why is drag still permitted - and why are drag shows and Mrs Brown on prime time BBC TV?

Sittinginthesand · 07/11/2021 23:14

I hate it.

TracyBeakerSoYeah · 07/11/2021 23:15

I watch Drag Race & I like it

HollowTalk · 07/11/2021 23:16

I completely agree with all of you and I am shocked that my woke daughter loves it. It's almost as though that second wave of feminism was a complete waste of bloody time.

pictish · 07/11/2021 23:17

Indifferent really. Someone might be entertaining in drag but not because they’re in drag. The drag part is pretty irrelevant as far as entertainment value is concerned. I find it pretty garish and harsh on the eye to look at but that’s me…to each their own.

moofolk · 07/11/2021 23:20

Hate it.

It started to bother me a while ago and genuinely tried to get over it.

I spoke to people about it, to try to get them to persuade me that it was ok, but the more I thought about it, the more I disliked it.

Too much misogyny.

Olderbadger1 · 07/11/2021 23:21

I hate it. Sexist, misogynistic, and unpleasant. Yet women are supposed to go along with it. I particularly hate the fact that if you don't you are assumed to be either a pearl-clutching prude, transphobic or kink-shaming - or all three.

Welsh Government gave grants to Drag Queen story time proponents recently as part of their LGBTQ+ friendly programme. FFS.

Flubbah · 07/11/2021 23:23

In my opinion, “womaning up” is the same as blacking up, and is equally offensive.

DoubleShotEspresso · 07/11/2021 23:24

I dislike it a lot.... outdated, tired, end of the pier stuff to me.

What I find really odd is the use of drag artists in children's libraries, events etc as "stroytellers", I find this tasteless and misplaced, but know many who are entertained by this.

Cheshirewife · 07/11/2021 23:25

Doesn’t bother me at all. Far bigger things to worry about.

Skysblue · 07/11/2021 23:32

Offensive to women, promotes sexist stereotypes, talentless wish-fulfillment fantasy for the drag queen but uninteresting to watch, and has sexual origins and undertones so it makes me really cross when it’s shoved at children.

Skysblue · 07/11/2021 23:32

Oh yeah what @Flubbah said. It’s the same as blacking up and just as offensive.

TracyBeakerSoYeah · 07/11/2021 23:47

What about female (as in biologically female from birth & woman is her gender - basically most of us who post)
drag queens?
There is a female/woman drag Queen on the latest Drag Race UK

Ladyday1995 · 07/11/2021 23:48

@Olderbadger1

I hate it. Sexist, misogynistic, and unpleasant. Yet women are supposed to go along with it. I particularly hate the fact that if you don't you are assumed to be either a pearl-clutching prude, transphobic or kink-shaming - or all three.

Welsh Government gave grants to Drag Queen story time proponents recently as part of their LGBTQ+ friendly programme. FFS.

I agree completely. I can't understand why it is pushed on children. I really wonder what the motives are of those making these decisions.
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Owlink · 07/11/2021 23:54

Offensive. Belongs, with blacking up, in the bin.

Avarua · 07/11/2021 23:55

I don't care. I'm happy for drag to be part of our culture. It's colourful and unabashed and a lot of fun.
I think someone dressing up as a woman is categorically not the same as being a woman or being qualified to enter women's spaces ... but as we know that's been done to death on this board already.

Enough4me · 07/11/2021 23:56

Men pretending to be women is outdated like pantomimes.

I wasn't born a boy and can't pretend now to be a man, I can't pretend to be Asian either as it's not who I am.

Avarua · 07/11/2021 23:57

I don't get offended by blacking up either. I think being unable to laugh at yourself is quite dysfunctional, actually. No one is so precious that they can't be poked fun at.

Enough4me · 07/11/2021 23:58

@Avarua I find it highly offensive and I'm not black.

BreadInCaptivity · 07/11/2021 23:59

Can't stand it.

It's rank with every fucking stereotype and misogyny from the largely glam/slutty clothes, grotesque makeup and drag lingo (terms such as "fishy" to denote someone who passes particularly well as a woman).

I can't think of another example where this level of insulting parody would be deemed ok.

Just as we rightly look back on blackface as being highly inappropriate/insulting/racist, I think (hope) in the future that drag will be similarly vilified and relegated to the history books.

Double3xposure · 08/11/2021 00:00

@Owlink

Offensive. Belongs, with blacking up, in the bin.
This.

People said gollywogs and the black and white minstrels were “colourful and a lot of fun “. Hmm Hmm

BreadInCaptivity · 08/11/2021 00:03

@Avarua

I don't care. I'm happy for drag to be part of our culture. It's colourful and unabashed and a lot of fun. I think someone dressing up as a woman is categorically not the same as being a woman or being qualified to enter women's spaces ... but as we know that's been done to death on this board already.

But it's not "just" about dressing up as a woman.

It's doing so in a way that's utterly insulting and misogynistic.

As per my pp - the clothes/make up/lingo is all steeped in sexist stereotypes dressed up as "entertainment".

Avarua · 08/11/2021 00:03

Most of the best comedy is parody though. Without parody you're basically left with cringe-type or slapstick humour.

Avarua · 08/11/2021 00:05

The makeup and clothes are wearable art. It's great.