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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I'd like to thank extreme activists. Senior manager called me to say "I get it now"

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FindTheTruth · 02/11/2021 06:04

After the last 2 weeks have people told you "I get it now"?

I saw this on twitter. And similar stories in responses.

Sheridan Sinclair - Sauropod
@SinclairJM1987
I’d like to thank the extreme trans activists who wrote that bullshit response letter to the bbc article on the cotton ceiling & held signs up at the filia conference saying “suck my dick cunt”. Senior manager seen both & called me this morning to say he gets it now.
He also listened to the Nolan podcast in full. Finally more people are seeing this insanity for what it is.
On
@NancyMK
comment “lesbians should examine their social prejudices” he flat out said “how can this woman be head of a gay rights organisation, but then stonewall aren’t anymore are they”. Yup.

twitter.com/SinclairJM1987/status/1455151822470012928

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Boulshired · 02/11/2021 15:47

I haven’t heard of anyone “getting it” in real life but quite a few on my social media have definitely come away from the keyboards on this subject.

sashh · 02/11/2021 15:48

I'm currently watching Another life there is a non binary character in it and I have just looked up the actor online.

Th actor identifies as non binary but says, "I still identify with the pro-nouns He/His/Him in my personal life, but I have friends that call me 'They' or even 'she' and I’m okay with that"

It's so refreshing to see someone just getting on with their life and career and not having a hissy fit over their pronouns or being 'misgendered'

FindTheTruth · 02/11/2021 15:49

@Boulshired

I haven’t heard of anyone “getting it” in real life but quite a few on my social media have definitely come away from the keyboards on this subject.
that in itself is massive I think....
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Helleofabore · 02/11/2021 15:52

I think it must be quite astonishing for many of the posters who kept declaring that it is people who believe that sex is immutable and that a transitioned male should not have access to female single sex spaces, who come onto threads with the intention to shame people discussing it, to realise that they really were projecting the entire time. Just as we kept telling them.

They honestly believed that they held the majority belief. And keep regurgitating the yougov survey that they really have not read as their proof. Only to be told that if they read further and looked deeper at the analysis, it clearly shows that when people are told that males retain their penises, the level of acceptance decreases significantly.

I suspect if yougov repeated this poll now, it would show that those that were 'undecided' would be decreasing as would support.

Look at the Scottish poll recently. 1 in 5 support self-ID.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4387280-New-research-shows-only-20-of-Scots-voters-support-self-ID

DdraigGoch · 02/11/2021 15:54

@WanderingSoutherner

PatsArrow My DS's friend who's a middle class heterosexual boy has stopped wearing skirts, pearls and twinsets to sixth form (claiming he was challenging gender stereotypes) and mansplaining feminism....I think he realised his friends were giving him a wide berth. He now back in jeans and a hoodie.

Surely a boy wearing a twinset and pearls IS challenging gender stereotypes? Unless he also claims that makes him a girl.

I'm saddened whenever someone decides they're not trans and reverts to stereotypes associated with their sex. Instead of keeping their new, gender nonconforming look but no longer insisting it makes them the opposite sex.

None of the girls I went to sixth form with wore skirts, pearls and twinsets. Most wore jeans and hoodies, just like the boys.
FindTheTruth · 02/11/2021 15:59

@Helleofabore so true, the ploppers educate and FWRs calmly state facts, cite evidence and call out the nonsense.. by the way I've always read your name as 'hellabore' as in the elegance brightening up shady areas, not 'hell of a bore' you're not boring

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Helleofabore · 02/11/2021 16:04

Awww. Thanks FindTheTruth.

I coined it when an activist type told me the posts under my previous name were tedious essays. It always appealed to my horticultural side.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 02/11/2021 16:25

A family member got it because he came across the coverage of the complaints to the BBC. He immediately read the original article on day 3, just to find out what they were complaining about.

When he brought up the subject with me, he still looked absolutely shaken when he told me about it. Realising that 16,000 people could read accounts of sexual abuse and bullying and think the issue was that the BBC had reported on it knocked him totally for six.

Coyoacan · 02/11/2021 16:40

I'm saddened whenever someone decides they're not trans and reverts to stereotypes associated with their sex. Instead of keeping their new, gender nonconforming look but no longer insisting it makes them the opposite sex

I think it is sad that so many people think that the only way to be different is externally, in our clothes etc. In my humble opinion, the more people dress outlandishly the more conformist they are inside.

Datun · 02/11/2021 17:38

Realising that 16,000 people could read accounts of sexual abuse and bullying and think the issue was that the BBC had reported on it knocked him totally for six.

Yup. There's just no getting around that. All the drama, the hyperbole and the victim status in the world will not get around that.

LaetitiaASD · 02/11/2021 17:41

[quote Helleofabore]I think it must be quite astonishing for many of the posters who kept declaring that it is people who believe that sex is immutable and that a transitioned male should not have access to female single sex spaces, who come onto threads with the intention to shame people discussing it, to realise that they really were projecting the entire time. Just as we kept telling them.

They honestly believed that they held the majority belief. And keep regurgitating the yougov survey that they really have not read as their proof. Only to be told that if they read further and looked deeper at the analysis, it clearly shows that when people are told that males retain their penises, the level of acceptance decreases significantly.

I suspect if yougov repeated this poll now, it would show that those that were 'undecided' would be decreasing as would support.

Look at the Scottish poll recently. 1 in 5 support self-ID.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4387280-New-research-shows-only-20-of-Scots-voters-support-self-ID[/quote]
I believe that if the question was put more honestly, or the implications were more clearly spelt out, you could get that 20% down massively.

manatsu · 02/11/2021 17:46

People my age seem to be doubling down. Two of my (male) 'friends' signed the anti-lesbian open letter. One of them knows I was raped by someone who now identifies as a woman. I've given up hope.

SirVixofVixHall · 02/11/2021 17:49

@refusetobeasheep

I was in a black cab last night for the first time in years ,,,, cabbie totally gets it
DH was in a black cab a few weeks ago and the cabbie was talking about it, totally got it.
BloodinGutters · 02/11/2021 17:50

I feel bad for posters here! I know very few people in rl who don’t get it when I explain it to them.

Expect the kids school….. although I don’t explain it to them so much as keep politely saying there’s the guidance do your jobs (while giving them or I’ll put in a formal complaint look).

Admittedly I’m a snarky introverted anti social loner who works hard to whittle down my social circles, I don’t seem to be very good at getting rid of as many people as I’d like though. There’s a few I tried to scare away by bringing this up and they got it so quick I rethought the getting rid part.

Grumpyosaurus · 02/11/2021 17:50

DH (who now identifies as 'an ego with a penis') was finally tipped over the edge by the Lancet's 'bodies with vaginas' and the resignation of Kathleen Stock. He used to think it was a minority issue. Now he's Shock

One of the DC is still full-on TWAW. We almost had an argument recently.

manatsu · 02/11/2021 17:51

I'm not a lesbian, so maybe the two things don't correlate, but it seems to me that if he would sign that letter, he would also get mad at me for not being able to see my rapist as 'female'

I hope that makes sense. I'm genuinely upset

manatsu · 02/11/2021 17:51

Oops, that took a while to post and several posts ended up in between!

manatsu · 02/11/2021 17:54

And I'm sure the right side of history types will screenshot me and either not believe me or laugh about my rape as I found they did last time I talked about this. I can't take it anymore

WanderingSoutherner · 02/11/2021 17:56

DdraigGoch None of the girls I went to sixth form with wore skirts, pearls and twinsets. Most wore jeans and hoodies, just like the boys.

Some of the girls in my sixth form wore twinsets, due to a brief resurgence of them circa 2000. But anyway, they are clothing stereotypically associated with women, not men, so a man or boy wearing them is breaking gender stereotypes, which is great (unless they conform to stereotypes by claiming it reflects an inner female identity).

Coyoacan I think it is sad that so many people think that the only way to be different is externally, in our clothes etc. In my humble opinion, the more people dress outlandishly the more conformist they are inside.

I agree, in the main. Although there's a difference between dressing outlandishly whilst surrounded by people telling you that's amazing, and dressing in a way that's outside of norms but doesn't come with extra special social status (and maybe even the opposite).

But anyway, I was referring to the situations where someone thinks they're trans, say a boy who starts wearing dresses, then decides they're actually a boy so stops wearing dresses. If he likes the dresses, isn't it sad that accepting his biological sex comes with not wearing them any more? Its just something I've noticed in some accounts and it seems a shame.
Perhaps I am biased after seeing one of the small children I look after being socially transitioned by his mother because he liked sparkly things and dresses.

bordermidgebite · 02/11/2021 17:59

Don't give up hope, I think you are in a bad bubble

And at least you know who are not your friends

Doubletoilandtrouble · 02/11/2021 18:01

@manatsu I am so sorry to hear about your rape. It is beyond awful and I hope that the awful man who did that to you gets what he deserves.

Nobody here is laughing and nobody will make you refer to a rapist with a penis as she Flowers

Londono · 02/11/2021 18:02

The Laurel Hubbard appearance at the Olympics brought it to our work cafeteria. NO one was in favour of it. These extreme cases show the point.

I also had a really good conversation with one of my DD's sports coaches who said that mixed sex teams in the sport we were discussing not only demoralises the girls but it doesn't do the boys any favours either as they don't improve their skills - because they can easily beat the girls (biology) it makes them sloppy players against other teams when they revert back to single sex games.

Londono · 02/11/2021 18:03

They bullies are actually giving us cut through conversation starters 'Crikey, what do you think of the Kathleen Stock situation....'

Etc and allow us to get some points across

Londono · 02/11/2021 18:04

@manatsu I'm so sorry, he is clearly a wolf in sheep's clothing.

BloodinGutters · 02/11/2021 18:08

@manatsu

People my age seem to be doubling down. Two of my (male) 'friends' signed the anti-lesbian open letter. One of them knows I was raped by someone who now identifies as a woman. I've given up hope.
Don’t give up hope. Just get some boundaries and cut these assholes loose.

Someone posted something about local groups on another thread recently- resisters I think the name was. Maybe you could search and then you can join them so you have friends who get it near you? The op was early 30s I think and this was the group recommended for young people.