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I'd like to thank extreme activists. Senior manager called me to say "I get it now"

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FindTheTruth · 02/11/2021 06:04

After the last 2 weeks have people told you "I get it now"?

I saw this on twitter. And similar stories in responses.

Sheridan Sinclair - Sauropod
@SinclairJM1987
I’d like to thank the extreme trans activists who wrote that bullshit response letter to the bbc article on the cotton ceiling & held signs up at the filia conference saying “suck my dick cunt”. Senior manager seen both & called me this morning to say he gets it now.
He also listened to the Nolan podcast in full. Finally more people are seeing this insanity for what it is.
On
@NancyMK
comment “lesbians should examine their social prejudices” he flat out said “how can this woman be head of a gay rights organisation, but then stonewall aren’t anymore are they”. Yup.

twitter.com/SinclairJM1987/status/1455151822470012928

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sashh · 02/11/2021 06:08

Things are changing, slowly but surely.

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/11/2021 06:41

I’m glad he gets it now. One person at a time isn’t going to take a long time unfortunately.

I agree most people have no idea what is happening.

TheBurmundseyIndustrialEstate · 02/11/2021 06:58

Kathleen Stock has done it for my dad.
He brought up the subject with me of how she had been bullied out of her job by trans activists and compared them to the climate protesters blocking the M25 and said that everyone hates them.
I was quite surprised he was aware of the issue.

Yepnothatfeeling · 02/11/2021 07:31

I agree. I have had 4 conversations with friends/family in the last few weeks - none instigated by me - where people have expressed unease about where gender ideology is going. Prior to this, it seemed nobody seemed to be particularly aware.

refusetobeasheep · 02/11/2021 07:41

I was in a black cab last night for the first time in years ,,,, cabbie totally gets it

MingeofDeath · 02/11/2021 07:51

I think the Prof Stock affair has been the tipping point. Prior to that the debate was mainly online. When it discussed on mainstream news was the moment "ordinary" people have sat up and noticed. So yes, well done TRAs.

Anothernamechange3 · 02/11/2021 07:58

Yes I mentioned to a colleague about the Nolan podcasts and we had a great discussion about the safeguarding issues for women and girls with self id and sex based protected spaces and how we had felt unable to speak out because of reactions we’d seen to others who had. It felt really good actually being able to talk about it (and crazy that we hadn’t felt able to before but there we go, I’m very grateful to the braver women than me who have spoken out).

Franca123 · 02/11/2021 14:17

Yes, three people have bought it up with me unprompted in the last few weeks. Telling me it's mad and taking the piss out of it all.

Franca123 · 02/11/2021 14:19

I also hear my teenage niece is getting over it all. Realising her trans identifying friends are a drain on her and that she doesn't buy it all anymore from them.

Franca123 · 02/11/2021 14:20

I feel very differently about it all now. Next time I need to challenge something like this I will do so without trepidation. The winds have certainly changed.

Helleofabore · 02/11/2021 14:23

@Franca123

I also hear my teenage niece is getting over it all. Realising her trans identifying friends are a drain on her and that she doesn't buy it all anymore from them.
This is something that I have noticed. My teen has moved away from some of the friends that were making their trans status the focus of their lives. All but one. My teen could simply not handle the constant drama around their lives.
LemonSwan · 02/11/2021 14:29

DP went to football with his dad on Sunday. Came up in conversation. Very concerned with woke lack of nuance these days apparently. Thinks its insane how no-one can just come to a reasonable accommodate all solution (ie. Mens, womens, and mixed)

PatsArrow · 02/11/2021 14:33

Both my teens and their friends have been doing a lot of eye rolling for a while. When I'm driving a carload of them around I like to eavesdrop 😉

The thing they're sniggering are most is non-binary. They have no truck with that.

My DS's friend who's a middle class heterosexual boy has stopped wearing skirts, pearls and twinsets to sixth form (claiming he was challenging gender stereotypes) and mansplaining feminism....I think he realised his friends were giving him a wide berth. He now back in jeans and a hoodie.

Things are shifting, slowly.

Franca123 · 02/11/2021 14:34

@Helleofabore I hear she is forming a friendship group with people who wish to distance themselves from the the drama of the trans and label type people. I'm really pleased personally. At that age we were just all having a laugh and getting drunk. Pure hedonism. If you can't have fun when young, when can you?

Datun · 02/11/2021 14:35

Dave Chapelle has done it for several younger people in my family.

He has a massive influence.

Helleofabore · 02/11/2021 14:37

After overhearing conversations between a group of lesbian and bisexual young teens about how lesbians must accept males for sex or they are transphobic, I am very much against adults who have an agenda to push discussing this with children and teens.

steppemum · 02/11/2021 15:13

Hellofabore and Franca

I do so hope you are right.
I have 3 teens and sadly, 2 of minear eright int he thick of this.
One is non-binary. 16, has changed her name by deed poll on her 16th birthday. She is gay, and I am sure that she naturally just a butch lesbian.
One is 13 and constantly says she is trans depsite all the evidence to the contrary (she loves skirts and make-up and jewellry, and a crush on a boy)

I feel like my family has been torn apart by this.
My son is 18 and thinks the whole thing is nonsense. Sometimes I talk to him and it is like a breath of fresh air, normality. He likes clubbing and going to the pub, and is off at uni playing football and making friends to share a house with.
So. bloody. normal.
I despair for my girls, I really do.

Franca123 · 02/11/2021 15:27

@steppemum nothing to add but I do understand your worry and upset. Being a teenager has always been tough. Hopefully they just need some time to mature further.

Helleofabore · 02/11/2021 15:32

Flowers steppemum

It is very hard to know how to balance their needs and to know what is the best way forward. That is in addition to the love and support you give them, of course.

I have several friends also going through this with their families too.

Jng1 · 02/11/2021 15:34

Yup, my DS (21) has started distancing himself from some of his friends who are LGBT (mostly the B & T ones) saying they are just so obsessively one-dimensional and everything is a drama.
He's found some lovely new friends in a hobby-based club he's joined at uni.

WanderingSoutherner · 02/11/2021 15:38

PatsArrow
My DS's friend who's a middle class heterosexual boy has stopped wearing skirts, pearls and twinsets to sixth form (claiming he was challenging gender stereotypes) and mansplaining feminism....I think he realised his friends were giving him a wide berth. He now back in jeans and a hoodie.

Surely a boy wearing a twinset and pearls IS challenging gender stereotypes? Unless he also claims that makes him a girl.

I'm saddened whenever someone decides they're not trans and reverts to stereotypes associated with their sex. Instead of keeping their new, gender nonconforming look but no longer insisting it makes them the opposite sex.

Doubletoilandtrouble · 02/11/2021 15:41

Big impact from Dave Chapelle with my friends.

I also think that many children have had enough. There have been some gender discussions in school and DS was initially interested and questioning about gender of his class mates.

But yesterday he went to school with some face paint left (around the eyes) from Halloween. I asked him if someone would think he was a girl as he looked like he was wearing makeup. He just laughed and said “nobody would be that stupid”.

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FindTheTruth · 02/11/2021 15:41

these posts! conversations happening in new places across the land from taxis/Black cabs, football ground stadiums, and new cohorts of people: elderly Dads, teenagers!!!, colleagues, nieces, families and friends bringing it up unprompted.

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purpleboy · 02/11/2021 15:45

@FindTheTruth

these posts! conversations happening in new places across the land from taxis/Black cabs, football ground stadiums, and new cohorts of people: elderly Dads, teenagers!!!, colleagues, nieces, families and friends bringing it up unprompted.
Some of the staff at the Portsmouth guildhall told us they had learnt so much from the FiLiA conference and would be talking about this subject amongst friends and family. My MIL heard Raquel Rosario Sanchez on radio 4 and asked me about it, she was appalled and did a bit of digging for Raquel. It's reaching joe public.
Doubletoilandtrouble · 02/11/2021 15:45

We had parents bringing it up on coffee morning. They thought it was ridiculous and were very unhappy that gender was taught in school. I was amazed. I have usually been so careful with these discussions IRL but they went full in.

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