#CisIsNotASlur trending on Twitter

[Slythermum]

I'm assuming through the garbled wordfuckery I'm seeing on twitter that this is people who don't understand language who are using that this is in response to:

a) The BBC article about Lesbians
b) Women objecting to the word "cis"
c) Shut up women
d) Dinosaurs
e) Shut up Lesbians
f) fannies

Meanwhile, my daughter has said girls in her class are saying "down with the cis bus" "cis people are evil", "cis should die" etc

I don’t expect anything more from Catherina because they have not produced any usable definition in all their time on this board.

Hi, my name is Catherina and my pronouns are she/her. Thank you.

@CatherinaJTV

Catherina if you believe that TWAW, why do you need the cis descriptor to identify yourself as other due to your masculine presentation?

I don't "present" as masculine at all, wardrobe is all full with Boden clothes. In online discussions I have been asked

"do you identify as a woman"

Now the most unambiguous way to answer that is to say "I am a cis woman", because a trans woman would also say "I am a woman".

You'd be answering a different question then!

'Do you identify as a woman' requires a yes/no answer.

Your answer is to the question 'are you a woman?' And in most circumstances it wouldn't matter. But where it does, your answer should be 'I am a transwoman.' Then you will be able to access the appropriate services.

Now the most unambiguous way to answer that is to say "I am a cis woman", because a trans woman would also say "I am a woman".

Exactly. 🙄

Yet if a woman says "I am a woman" she is speaking truthfully.

A man can only truthfully say "i identity as a woman". Because they cannot be a woman.

But Catherina why do you wish to differentiate yourself from trans women, when simply asked if you identify as a woman?
Is there a difference in the 'identity' of cis and trans women?

Now the most unambiguous way to answer that is to say "I am a cis woman", because a trans woman would also say "I am a woman".

And that is males forcibly pushing women aside. Because we need to distinguish ourselves from men, and we need the words to do it. I am not letting go of woman. Lying shouldn’t be tolerated.

Colonisation of women's words and spaces by males isn't something I want to collude in.

Now the most unambiguous way to answer that is to say "I am a cis woman", because a trans woman would also say "I am a woman"

They might say all sorts of things, yes. I'm not required to agree.

Trans women are women because thats simply what they are mentally, personally and culturally.

The thing I and every straight woman have in common, is that we are attracted to men. Some of us may choose not to act on that, others might have numerous relationships but we meet the definition of being straight women by being attracted to men and not women.

There is nothing that I have in common with every other woman, other than our biology. We all have the body type designed for getting pregnant and giving birth. There is nothing mentally or culturally that I have in common with every other woman. You are talking about stereotypes again. The things that many women are trying to abolish because they are so harmful to everyone.

Because the options are cis or trans.
It is a statement of fact.

Ok, so I've done the quiz and it's confirmed my inner lifelong belief that I am agender, so therefore I am trans.
So I am a transwoman.

Still female and still not cis.

[quote waterlego]@firsttimedad79

Some people believe ‘cis’ is needed to modify the words ‘woman’ or ‘man’. This is because they believe that there is more than one way to be a woman/man. So they believe that there are ‘cis women’ (who are female) and ‘trans women’ (who are male).

Most of us on this board don’t share that belief. Many of us are happy to use the word ‘transwoman’ to describe a male human who wishes he was female/sees himself as female. But we reject the term ‘cis’ to describe ourselves. We are women.[/quote]
Thank you for that!

Just wanted to know a bit more about what I was reading :)

@TeamRex

Yet if a woman says "I am a woman" she is speaking truthfully.

A man can only truthfully say "i identity as a woman". Because they cannot be a woman.

that was not the situation though: I am being asked "do you identify as a woman". I do. But so does a trans woman, so cis makes my answer unambiguous.

@LigandBrigand

Now the most unambiguous way to answer that is to say "I am a cis woman", because a trans woman would also say "I am a woman".

And that is males forcibly pushing women aside. Because we need to distinguish ourselves from men, and we need the words to do it. I am not letting go of woman. Lying shouldn’t be tolerated.

but in these cases it's usually GC women who assume I am a trans woman and not men. Nobody "pushes me aside" and nobody is lying in my scenario. The question asker genuinely assumes I am trans and I am answering truthfully.

yeah but it is tho

I am being asked "do you identify as a woman". I do. But so does a trans woman, so cis makes my answer unambiguous.

But so what? How you identify is irrelevant to anyone asking isn't it? What you are is the important question.

I can't say anyone has ever asked me how I identify? Not sure how I'd answer tbh!

I don't need to identify as a woman, because I am one.

that was not the situation though: I am being asked "do you identify as a woman". I do. But so does a trans woman, so cis makes my answer unambiguous.

But if someone is asking you if you identify as a woman, they're not asking you about your sex. Why do you feel the need to state your sex in answer to that question?

@MonsignorMirth

Catherina I don't get it - asking genuinely. Millicispud says that female-sex and woman-gender doesn't match, so is trans. So in what way are you cis, if you don't mind me asking?

@CatherinaJTV would you be kind enough to answer this, or at least acknowledge why I can't work out what 'cis' is? I thought perhaps you identify as 'female' and your sex is 'female' but you said you are a 'woman', which millicispud defines as trans?

Or perhaps milli was just wrong or mistyped or something, or you are just using different definitions?

You’re welcome @firsttimedad79 🙂

Milli hasn't come back?

@WanderingSoutherner

Millicispud Do enough research and you'll find that pretty much every anti trans argument is just a rehashed homophobic and sexist arguments.

Actually, most of us did our research and ended up here in the gender critical position.

Saying there is more to being a woman or man than the physical body is sexism. The concept of gender identity is built on sexism.

Milli, do you have anything to say about this?

Would you agree or disagree that your explanation that there are mental, cultural and personal (your words) ways to be female that makes a male a woman to be sexist?

A male adopting female mental (!), culture and personality is or isn't taking a sexist view on what being female is?

I am not cis. I do not identify as a woman, I am a woman.

If you insist on using cis to describe me I will tell you that I am insulted, that you have misgendered me and that is a hate crime. You will have subjected me to literal violence. So don't.

Woman.
NOT cis.

@Jux

I am not cis. I do not identify as a woman, I am a woman.

If you insist on using cis to describe me I will tell you that I am insulted, that you have misgendered me and that is a hate crime. You will have subjected me to literal violence. So don't.

Woman.
NOT cis.

Wow so brave.

What @WanderingSoutherner said and as quoted by @Wildfart is the nub of the matter.

EITHER male and female humans are essentially the same, all fully human but some exist in male bodies and some exist in female bodies and that has some consequences for physiology, strength and hormones etc but not especially for personality, tastes or preferences. All further expectations are culturally evolved and defined and are fundamentally sexist.

OR male and female humans are fundamentally different on a spiritual level that is entirely separate from the direct consequences of having a male or female body. There are souls that are male, female and various other genders and which soul ends up in a specific body sometimes mismatches the shape of the body and the person experiences dysphoria because of that mismatch.

It's impossible for both of the above to be true. It is impossible to establish scientifically which is true, therefore it is a matter of faith. We each have the right to the faith of our choice and I have no objection to anyone believing the opposite view to me. I do object to public life and culture being railroaded into structures that reinforce and elevate any viewpoint that is a matter of faith like this. We live in a pluralistic society where we accept that we don't all have to believe the same in order to get along. We've been doing that quite well since we managed to stop burning eachother for being Catholics or Protestants a few hundred years ago. This mutual respect developed further (with acknowledged terrible failures at times) to be equally accepting of various other world religions.

Its quite right that different faith positions should be treated equally and that society respects the rights of individuals to deeply held beliefs that may not be in any way provable and may well be incompatible with the deeply held beliefs of the next person.

The current clashes are happening because people who believe in the first option above are being forced without consultation or consent to act at all times as if the second option is true and their own beliefs are unimportant. This is wrong.

but in these cases it's usually GC women who assume I am a trans woman and not men. Nobody "pushes me aside" and nobody is lying in my scenario. The question asker genuinely assumes I am trans and I am answering truthfully.

Why would somebody who is GC be asking whether you identify as a woman?