Am i being stupid? Why is it only lesbians who are being told they need to have sex with transwomen?

[StealthPolarBear]

Presumably straight men are also coming under fire for trabsphobia?

@StealthPolarBear

Oh no presumably tw are happh with women witj penises? Theh are women, no exceptoons after all. Or am i just talking utter crap?

No but you might either be Cod or pissed!!!!

Im mildly possed but mt phone randomly atopped autocorrect a few weeks aho and im not used to it

@StealthPolarBear

Im mildly possed but mt phone randomly atopped autocorrect a few weeks aho and im not used to it

You might have to learn to sort it out as the trouble is, the more you post and we/me cannot understand, the more I will have to blame it on my drinking

You make very good points by the way.

@StealthPolarBear

Hmm transwomen are women in every sense The majority of women are attacted to men Straight men need to accept transwomen as sexual partners, penis and all, or examone their transphobia, i think

Do go and say that to a lot of straight men - I would be fascinated to hear the response.

Cod definitely

Lipstick Alley on the boxer ceiling:

www.lipstickalley.com/threads/gay-men-aint-safe-anymore-say-hello-to-the-boxer-ceiling.4514993/

Sheila Jeffreys' Gender Hurts has some interesting thoughts on sex castes and why TW are the apex of the castes and TM are at the foot of sex castes.

then it's worth considering how societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions."

Ive considered it and Im struggling to know why I'm just not attracted to woman? Perhaps societal prejudices are against woman as an entire group

OP, it's all explained here (and no you're not being stupid)

Break it down for me?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Thank you. Im so incensed by thw doubke standards

It’s about validation. Sleeping with a lesbian who fancies women validates you as a woman. Sleeping with a straight woman who fancies men doesn’t validate you.

The Boxer ceiling is a thing but the sex dynamics are completely different obviously. I've seen it talked about on Reddit (by those wanting to 'break through' it) and put it this way, I didn't hang around for long on those threads.

The FB group for The Boxer Ceiling has been shut down repeatedly and now permanently I think, I guess the gay men who gathered there have had to find other ways to connect.

What happened to the FB group mentioned here by a Detransitioner.

No one HAS to have sex with anyone. It’s a personal choice, not something to be dictated by the media. What a crazy world we live in.

Thinking about that independent article, I do wonder about the stats around violence towards trans women, how often it’s when they’ve gone so far with a man without being honest about their sex and the men have reacted in anger.

If TWAW , no exceptions, and some profess to be lesbians, can't they date each other and leave lesbians who don't like penises in their love life alone?

@StealthPolarBear

Thank you. Im so incensed by thw doubke standards

My DD (30) single, living in London (and yes that is relevant...) gives me so much grief when I try to explain my point of view and yes, I must be a Terf or a bigot or whatever awful things I can be called. But I think I will really remember this thread as I now wish to ask her about straight men and TW. Thank you.

The Boxer ceiling is a thing but the sex dynamics are completely different obviously. I've seen it talked about on Reddit (by those wanting to 'break through' it) and put it this way

I'd agree that the physical and social power dynamics are completely different. I thought it interesting that the same emotional and social techniques were deployed but finding a less receptive audience (which is itself an interesting socialisation contrast, perhaps).

Heterosexual women are far more likely to find a TW sexually attractive than they find women

Why do you think that? I wouldn't be attracted to a trans woman who didn't pass just because they had a penis and I wouldnt be attracted to someone who looked like Rose of Dawn or Blaire White regardless of what they had or hadn't had done surgically as to me, they look like woman.

Why do you think that?

Yeah cool, that's you.
As a demographic straight women find people with a penis attractive, and TW are included in that. TW would probably have more luck with het women.

Penny White, who used to have a YouTube channel but it's unfortunately been closed down, talked about her experience as a heterosexual women in a relationship with a TW, and how TW should leave lesbians alone. It was quite moving. Don't know why it's gone.

Yes, I thought exactly the same. I would like to see them try and threaten men, but that wouldn’t happen. Although if they are mainly originally straight men I suppose it would be lesbians they are targeting.

But they're women in every sensebof the word. And the majority of women form relationships with men.thwy dont pick and choose which bits of woman ness apply. That waybwpuld be madness.

Heterosexual women are far more likely to find a TW sexually attractive than they find women.

I doubt many straight woman would find a male performing femininity attractive.

The issue is it's no longer about homosexual transexuals. It's about het males wanting identities validating.
There are those who will have sex with men despite being straight, again for validation.
To experience what they imagine being fucked 'as a woman' is like. Ya know, being passive and dominated and the rest of the pornified bollocks.

@Coconutmeg

Thinking about that independent article, I do wonder about the stats around violence towards trans women, how often it’s when they’ve gone so far with a man without being honest about their sex and the men have reacted in anger.

I don't agree this is the case. I think the phenomenon of men being "fooled" by a transwoman to the extent they have sex with one is overstated. I think it's homophobia, post-orgasm. Gay men who go cottaging get beaten up by homophobic men who've just had sex with them in the bushes, it happens. A lot of "msm" (men who have sex with men, not mainstream media!) are quite often very homophobic but like the instant access to a blow job from a stranger. There have also been plenty of cases of men on grindr getting robbed or beaten or sometimes killed by the strangers they meet. It's one of the reasons that I'm so worried about young gay men in particular; so much of the "scene" no longer exists, bars and clubs are now prohibitively expensive to frequent, youth groups are few and far between and these young guys just end up with no gay mates and just meeting strangers online. The "gay panic" and "trans panic" defences are one and the same thing, in my opinion. Plus instances of actual hate crime against transwomen are low in the UK. Previous surveys have included "partner is dismissive of gender identity" as domestic violence, which skews the figures further.

Prostituted men in Brazil murdered in a favela (possibly murdered at the same rate as prostituted women in a favela?) make the worldwide situation look worse and when a middle aged computer programmer with a wife and two kids in the UK claims he is in danger, it is those poor men in Brazil whose statistics he is appropriating.

There are those who will have sex with men despite being straight, again for validation. To experience what they imagine being fucked 'as a woman' is like. Ya know, being passive and dominated and the rest of the pornified bollocks.

Yeah and there is a lot of that amongst the swinger communities too, a lot of transvestite men meeting each other to go dogging etc.

Stealthy, I'm loving both the musing and the typoing.

I wondered why the men aren't getting it in the neck for having genital preferences.

Have a big glass of water, dearie.

@Gncq

The majority of TW are sexually attracted to women.

Heterosexual women are far more likely to find a TW sexually attractive than they find women, but hetero women don't provide "validation" because they'd normally sleep with men.

Lesbians are sexually attracted to women, so if a TW sleeps with a lesbian, they get to sleep with someone who validates them as a woman.

TW who prefer dick tend not to bother heterosexual men too much wonder why.
I'm also not sure there's much traction in TW sleeping with gay men and then calling it a straight relationship? If that's "a thing" it's not been on my radar.

I'm not so sure that I would find a transwoman more attractive than a biological woman. There is a rather uncanny feeling from the former that could be difficult to get past.