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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girls night in Campaign targeted for not being inclusive

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/10/2021 06:54

A group of young women started a campaign to boycott night clubs in the wake of drinks being spiked & women being attacked

The outcome was of course predictable, because heaven forbid women have something of their own

I am apoplectic with rage on behalf of these young women. Only yesterday there were a ton of reports on young womens poor mental health. Do they really not join the fucking dots

twitter.com/findingdore/status/1451643838318190598?s=21

Girls night in Campaign targeted for not being inclusive
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LonginesPrime · 23/10/2021 10:20

I might be missing something, but how is 'Girls' Night In' exclusive of transpeople? Would transwomen not simply count themselves amongst the 'girls'?

I imagine it's female-bodied non-binary people who don't feel included, but feel triggered by accepted that it's their female bodies that make them vulnerable to attack from male-bodied people.

They clearly have their own internal issues with acknowledging their own female bodies, so the fact that it's that same body that's already so distressing to them that makes them vulnerable to attack isn't something they're comfortable acknowledging.

merrymouse · 23/10/2021 10:21

@ArblemarchTFruitbat

I might be missing something, but how is 'Girls' Night In' exclusive of transpeople? Would transwomen not simply count themselves amongst the 'girls'?
There is no reason to believe that the people organising the campaign wouldn't include trans women, so it seems that the only concern is that they are focusing on women.
KittenKong · 23/10/2021 10:22

@LonginesPrime

The fact that they don’t even ‘get it’ shows they are just fools.

They're not fools, they're tools. Of the patriarchy.

I was trying to be polite 🤬
allmywhat · 23/10/2021 10:26

I might be missing something, but how is 'Girls' Night In' exclusive of transpeople? Would transwomen not simply count themselves amongst the 'girls'?

The urge to destroy/ take over women’s resources is primary; the justification is secondary. The only consistent part is the behaviour, the logic shifts and changes to justify the behaviour. There is no point in trying to unpick the logic. It’s a constellation of shifting excuses for vicious misogyny, not a logically coherent worldview.

ArblemarchTFruitbat · 23/10/2021 10:27

@LonginesPrime

I might be missing something, but how is 'Girls' Night In' exclusive of transpeople? Would transwomen not simply count themselves amongst the 'girls'?

I imagine it's female-bodied non-binary people who don't feel included, but feel triggered by accepted that it's their female bodies that make them vulnerable to attack from male-bodied people.

They clearly have their own internal issues with acknowledging their own female bodies, so the fact that it's that same body that's already so distressing to them that makes them vulnerable to attack isn't something they're comfortable acknowledging.

Thanks, LonginesPrime - that makes sense.
KittenKong · 23/10/2021 10:30

We must not acknowledge the femaleness of our bodies (not use words like ‘woman’) whilst admiring the femaleness of others’.

Kind of weird huh?

Heidi1982 · 23/10/2021 10:33

That's a lot of words to say "women and girls don't count".

twangyhairband · 23/10/2021 10:38

I can see the point, eg that rapist of gay men in Manchester who spiked his victims' drinks - this is an issue that doesn't just affect women.

But that's not a reason to colonise a women's campaign yet again - if women want to campaign on behalf of a particular group why the hell shouldn't they! I am so tired of this.

FindTheTruth · 23/10/2021 10:44

more TWEETS:

Marjorie Hutchins @leakylike

Young women start a campaign #GirlsNightIn to protest about being drugged by men in clubs.

The sheer narcissism of those who demand 'inclusivity' & apologies from women to respect their identities.

It's tragic

@survivingmymum
Not every complaint is valid and needs to lead to a change! #girlsnightin #girlsnightout. Don’t loose sight of your purpose. Taking a stand against Vawg does not need to centre anyone other than WAG!

Lorraine Simpson
@la_grandeL
Dear #GirlsNightIn it is atrocious that you're being bullied to open up your boundaries to include "everyone". You absolutely do not need to do this. It is not a crime to organise and protect yourselves. Stand your ground, it's your ground. We are with you. #WomenWontWheesht

@purplerain1791
#GirlsNightIn is necessary because of male violence against women and girls, FEMALES.
There's no need to be inclusive with a problem that is so specific.
#EnoughIsEnough

SkankyGelato
@FindingDore
Female students drinks are being spiked. Girls are being assaulted and having to adopt constant measures to protect themselves. So they started a campaign boycotting clubs for a night called #girlsnightout.
Can you imagine what happened next? #misogyny

Dr Shonagh Dillon
@ShonaghDillon
This campaign started well. Now it means absolutely nothing. It is for nobody. Women and girls are forgotten and the aim of the protest is entirely lost.

Basically in different places across the UK on different nights lots of people stay in and nobody highlights a thing. Woman facepalming

Yoko NoNo
@YokoMcNoNo
They’re changing the name as women and girls can’t even have a movement protesting about being drugged and potentially raped without including males. Poor girls have been programmed to “ be kind” and have caved to TRA/MRA demands so are now excluded from everything #GirlsNightIn

@heather1917
Gosh, that one lasted a full 48 hours before the #GirlsNightIn girls were forced by men to grovel and make it all about everyone but them. Isn't "intersectionality" amazing!

@lizbot79
Even our girls’ safety takes a backseat to men’s rights. I’ve an 18 year old, I couldn’t give 2 hoots about men’s feelings, I just want her and her girlfriends to be able to go out and enjoy themselves without being spiked and assaulted #GirlsNightIn

@Moodleland
#StandingForWomen
#GirlsNightIn
@StandingforXX
@EssexReSisters
This makes me so angry. This why Posie Parker is 100% correct when she says we must not give one single inch of our language because THIS is where we end up. Girls APOLOGISE for calling themselves girls. WTAF?

TheWeeDonkey · 23/10/2021 10:47

I'm just wondering who benefits from this, and how anti- carcerial "feminism" is supposed to counter sexual assault and rape?

I mean to be honest the whole thing is confusing to me. Confusing and just really depressing.

WarriorN · 23/10/2021 10:51

@ArblemarchTFruitbat

I might be missing something, but how is 'Girls' Night In' exclusive of transpeople? Would transwomen not simply count themselves amongst the 'girls'?

I'm beginning to find the non binary queer lot far more aggressive as time goes on.

That's who got left out.

FindTheTruth · 23/10/2021 10:51

WeeDonkey, Patriarchy benefits from this; putting men first, crushing VAWG activism and as Baroness Nicholson said "This is pure,unadulterated Misogyny sheltering under Fake Inclusivity. Poor,poor girls.Their environment is against them from the start"

EdgeOfTheSky · 23/10/2021 10:54

If FFS. Young women bullied and guilt tripped into apologising ‘for the harm caused’ !!!!!!!!!

FindTheTruth · 23/10/2021 10:56

This has to stop. What the MRAs/TRA's have done is to remove these girls boundaries, prevent their ability to recognise the risk and cancel self-organising at a time when they are literally being drugged / spiked for being female.

frazzlesmore · 23/10/2021 10:59

It's ridiculous, does no one pause & engage their brain for just a second?

EdgeOfTheSky · 23/10/2021 11:01

Not once have TRAs apologised for ‘harm done’ to women / young women.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 23/10/2021 11:04

It's enraging and terrifying in equal measures to watch young women being silenced, frightened and intimidated - harangued and pushed out of the public space.

This is all I can see. Young women are being publicly coerced into staying home by media reports of incidents that now may generate copycats or extensions that will see this happen in other public spaces because it's proving to be a great way to control women.

And then criticised for organising campaigns to protect themselves but it's unkind to exclude others. And these children are mouthing mantras that I think few understand (anti-carceral) and even fewer understand the associated consequences for women as a class and society as a whole.

SolasAnla · 23/10/2021 11:08

mustlovegin
Some groups clash Solas

Yes they do

Also, what does this mean?

Inclusive of all people anywhere in the world who form groups to advance their common objective irrespective of their stated aims

The GNI women who issued the statement have no understanding of how mission creep is being used to derail the group

One job/mission
Reduce the risk of sexual assault where men using drugs to incapacitate the woman

V

Many jobs/missions
Reduce the risk of sexual assault where the perpetrator using drugs to incapacitate the victim
And also......

The group has not followed the thought process of what they are advocating by including "catch phases" talking points

Eg GNI issue blanket statements of supporting "community" it naturally end up having to support opposing groups who's aims clash

On advice they are name changing from a Global/UK wide brand to multiple local brands to be inclusive

When they expanded to "community" why are they not including the local "Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker and drugs make it a guarantee" community in Durham?

Deliriumoftheendless · 23/10/2021 11:09

And because of the demonisation of older women who have been objecting to all these language changes, young women will be unable to take a stand without being labelled “Karens” and “terfs” etc.

Nice racket.

FindTheTruth · 23/10/2021 11:13

A fairy tale ending to this would be reversing back to the original campaign with the support of feminists across the country. If they reached out to Filia, sex matters they'd get massive support for their campaign. And you're right about the many jobs/missions Solas. one horse, one ass. It's been diluted/ fragmented / made meaningless. the orginal campaign was good.

Deliriumoftheendless · 23/10/2021 11:13

And these children are mouthing mantras that I think few understand (anti-carceral)

I think this is true. I can’t believe any woman involved in this boycott doesn’t want there to be legal punishments for sex attacks on women. I would imagine many would like to see law strengthened and applied. But these are phrases that get used part and parcel with “intersectionality” and “inclusion” and ultimately become background noise that gets said and not thought about.

KittenKong · 23/10/2021 11:15

I wonder how many women spoke women’s drinks? How many women grope or molest women? How many women rape? How many women follow/menace women walking home at night? How many women plonk themselves down on the seat next to a single woman on the late bus and starts trying to ‘chat them up’...

Don’t these dongdongs even think like that?

Helleofabore · 23/10/2021 11:17

I'm beginning to find the non binary queer lot far more aggressive as time goes on.

That's who got left out.

I have come to realize, even more strongly, that those who called this movement out early for being narcissistic were right.

At what point do people have to take responsibility for their actions. To declare yourself non-binary or trans is fine, to insist that people who wish to use the word women and girls include you after you have made that declaration is not fine.

Not every group or movement is for everyone. This constant push for inclusion is not righteous at all.

FindTheTruth · 23/10/2021 11:23

I do hope that these girls get in touch with Filia. Here's an example of the straight talking support they could get twitter.com/ClaireShrugged/status/1451851456919781384

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 23/10/2021 11:24

" No one is saying you can't say 'women' " say these activists.

Yes, yes you fucking are 🤬

Anything, absolutely anything that is about women and girls, from pregnancy, menopause, to being spiked at a nightclub and raped ffs, is targeted. I don't see ANY other group being harassed this way, it's only women and girls not allowed to have the tiniest sliver of anything for themselves Sad

Women and girls are afraid of being spiked, and now the bullies have come and made them afraid of being labelled bigots before they've even started their careers. To hand over their campaign and bleat obediently, for intersectionality, to talk about that group who are the most opressed and attacked of all (no, not you women and girls, silly!), to apologise for thinking about themselves for once, and to top it off - for not sending the rapists to prison ffs!

I could absolutely weep but I'm so fucking angry Angry