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Harrop MPTS Hearing

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/10/2021 16:18

I thought this may be of interest:

www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-adrian-harrop-nov-21

The tribunal will inquire into the allegation that from 10 May 2018 to 23 November 2019, Dr Harrop inappropriately used his Twitter account to post tweets that were offensive and/or insulting and/or inappropriate in nature and some of which were intended to intimidate.

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MrsKeats · 20/10/2021 12:52

So what are people thinking is the most likely outcome?

PronounssheRa · 20/10/2021 12:53

[quote Motorina]@Terfasaurus they've straight out misunderstood the process then. It's being passed to the MPTS because that's the body which deals with concerns about the Fitness to Practice of doctors.[/quote]
Imagine my surprise Grin

Piccalino3 · 20/10/2021 13:16

This has utterly made my day!!

Terfasaurus · 20/10/2021 13:27

It’s getting better and better. Look who is conducting the defence.

twitter.com/flyinglawyer73/status/1450781125756997641?s=21

Harrop MPTS Hearing
MrsKeats · 20/10/2021 13:31

OMGGG seriously!!

nauticant · 20/10/2021 13:34

I doubt that Hayden is responsible for the defence and isn't actually stating this.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/10/2021 13:34

[quote Terfasaurus]It’s getting better and better. Look who is conducting the defence.

twitter.com/flyinglawyer73/status/1450781125756997641?s=21[/quote]
I don't think they are saying that they are conducting the defence? (I don't think even Harrop would be that daft...)

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Rightsraptor · 20/10/2021 13:47

Instead of thinking about protesting outside the venue please think about attending the hearing. You can apply to observe by clicking on a link within the MPTS statement. Much more interesting to be at the hearing, not to mention warmer.

Terfasaurus · 20/10/2021 13:54

@nauticant

I doubt that Hayden is responsible for the defence and isn't actually stating this.
I was getting over-excited. Wink

Doctors have insurance to cover qualified and specialist legal representation in the event of an investigation or tribunal.

It sounds like Stephanie is well-briefed nonetheless.

I agree that nobody should go and protest. Although it is satisfying to see him have to account for his behaviour, the safety of patients is at stake so nobody should give the tribunal any grounds to believe that Dr Harrop is the victim of a campaign.

The thread linked to on the previous page is jaw dropping and being constantly updated.

twitter.com/jammersminde/status/1450541073063890948?s=21

BreadInCaptivity · 20/10/2021 14:24

I think the problem for Harrop's defence is going to be that (assuming these examples fall within the timescales cited re: the hearing) I can think off the top of my head of 2 examples where he admitted himself that he'd crossed the line.

One in doxing a fellow GC HCP on Twitter (I think someone's posted the screenshots on this thread) and the others where he challenged people to find evidence of his misogyny and if they did he'd make a donation to Women's Aid (I think it was). Receipts were provided and he posted about having coughed up the money.

The issue here is that these examples demonstrate a self awareness of inappropriate SM postings yet his behaviour did not change for a considerable period after these episodes and only allegedly/suspectedly after many complaints were made to the GMC and he perceived a threat to his career - he stopped posting what many people feel were offensive/misogynistic comments only when he stopped posting anything and left Twitter altogether.

Essentially it can be alleged he was only acting out of self preservation/interest rather than a demonstration of remorse for his comments and awareness of their inappropriate nature.

Lordamighty · 20/10/2021 14:28

Shocking when you see all this stuff together, he really is a nasty piece of work. He must be shitting himself now though.

Fariha31 · 20/10/2021 14:43

Surely this guy could never be a GP, he could never be trusted to treat women. I would never attend an appointment if he was presented as my GP under any circumstances, I just could not trust someone so open about how misognyistic they were.
No one would exspect a black person to have an openly racist GP?

Fariha31 · 20/10/2021 14:45

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Northernlurker · 20/10/2021 20:35

A 'robust' defence is the last thing he needs. What he needs will be the craftiest, most deeply experienced defence he can find. Somebody who has done hundreds of the tribunals preferably. And then he needs to do exactly what they tell him.

This isn't a jury trial with a range of people potentially vulnerable to emotive arguments. This is a tribunal made up of very serious people who take this ummmm......very seriously.

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FannyCann · 20/10/2021 21:01

Some of his rage tweets were positively deranged, which made me question his fitness to practice on grounds of mental health at the time. But perhaps that will be his defence. A spell off twitter is good for everyone's mental health. He may be able to argue that he has out all that behind him, stayed off twitter and restored his sanity.

It's going to be an interesting one to watch.

Motorina · 20/10/2021 21:07

And then he needs to do exactly what they tell him.

I suspect he may struggle with this.

Especially as, unless they try and contest that he wrote the tweets, his best defence is basically grovel. Show remorse, realise that they were inappropriate and would undermine public confidence in the profession, convince the panel he is a reformed character.

If I were his defence I'd be having a real strategy dither about whether to get him to give evidence at all. On the one had, if he doesn't, it's really hard to demonstrate insight, remorse and remediation. On the other, I think he'd have to be considered a high risk witness!

I wish it were being held remotely so I could watch.

iklboo · 20/10/2021 21:31

Christ they know fuck all about FTP processes do they? The GMC don't 'pass the buck' to the MPTS. They don't have a choice anymore for hearings.

And it's not The Old Boys club either. Forget TV drama bollocks. The Panel is made of both lay & medical members, many of whom are women (real ones).

I wouldn't give him the satisfaction/infamy of protesting. He'd love it. Much better to watch from the back.

SpindelWhorl · 20/10/2021 21:36

He gives the impression, on the evidence of his published tweets, that he has issues with impulse control. I have a feeling that at some point in the hearing, no matter how well rehearsed he is by his defence team, he may well veer into the territory of 'fair comment' and 'freedom of expression' as a part defence, parallel with his need to help 'suicidal trans kids' and how 'doctors know best', running parallel with 'anyway, I was provoked', if his defence team do allow him to give evidence.

I hope his defence team allows him to give evidence.

Terfasaurus · 20/10/2021 21:51

One defence would be to smear and undermine the credibility of the witnesses or complainants.

I don’t know how effective this would be and it would depend on how many there are. It’s a bit difficult to say that all of them are unhinged hysterical women with a grudge. I don’t envy those involved who will probably have to face a shit show of counter allegations courtesy of Harrop’s mates standing witness for him.

Bottom line is that he is still a doctor and it’s his behaviour on the line.

SpindelWhorl · 20/10/2021 21:59

That's what I mean - I think he might forget this is a tribunal about his behaviour as a doctor, and not a courtroom scene from a movie where his internal monologue gets to act out on the stand.

Motorina · 20/10/2021 22:20

@Terfasaurus I think that would be a high-risk strategy. As @Northernlurker said, it's a professional panel, not a jury. They're trained to be aware of and try to set aside hteir prejudices, and attempts to smear are likely to do him no favours.

The allegations are actually pretty simple:

  1. Harrop posted the tweets
  2. That they were offensive and/or insulting and/or inappropriate in nature
  3. Some of them were intended to intimidate.

In terms of 1., it's a straight factual decision. He will either admit posting them, in which case that's likely to be found proved. Or he'll deny it. In which case there may be an IT expert to give evidence to track them back to his IP address or something.

For 2., the tweets stand for themselves. The panel will be able to assess if they are offensive etc from their content. He will be entitled, of course, to give evidence on whether he thinks they're offensive or not. But, if he does, he'll be cross-examined, and I think he's at high risk of putting foot in mouth.

  1. is a bit more nuanced because some of the alleged attempts to intimidate (pictures of a church, reference to golf clubs) are quite subtle. I can see that witness evidence from the complainants might be relevant to that particular decision.

We will see. I'm honestly scratching my head to see why they've scheduled this for as long as they have because, on the face of it, it's a pretty straightforward case.

(I should repeat that I am not and never have been connected to the GMC or MPTS, and have no insider information at all. But I do tribunal work elsewhere and the principles are broadly similar.)

BoreOfWhabylon · 21/10/2021 02:14

I hope Harry The Owl gets to give evidence. He's got plenty, and would also be able to express very well the effects on him and his family.

SpindelWhorl · 21/10/2021 02:18

@BoreOfWhabylon

I hope Harry The Owl gets to give evidence. He's got plenty, and would also be able to express very well the effects on him and his family.
Whatever happened to Harry the Owl's appeal? All I see is 'pending judgement' and it's been about 7 months?
BoreOfWhabylon · 21/10/2021 04:37

Dunno. Perhaps @HazzaTheOwl will tell us.