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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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TreaslakeandBack · 13/10/2021 17:34

I don’t know a lot about this subject I admit.
I am a feminist who believes that woman = adult human female.
I am not anti trans- people who are born male but feel female should be supported to
live as female if that’s what they want. Same with men. Live and let live.
They shouldn’t be allowed to go in women only spaces unless they have had bottom surgery and full hormones. Same with men.
Women should not be referred to as bodies with cervixes or any other rubbish. Women are women. Men are men.
Trans women are transwomen. Transmen are transmen. Most of the time it won’t matter but in certain circumstances eg sports, single sex clubs and spaces etc they should own it and not try to be something they are not.
I’m not a TERF obviously as that has a very anti trans connection.
What am I?

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IsleofRum · 14/10/2021 09:21

Is there a legal definition of transphobia? Or is it whatever a judge decides of"evidence" and opinion at the time?

Gottalife · 14/10/2021 17:17

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

They shouldn’t be allowed to go in women only spaces unless they have had bottom surgery and full hormones

the thing is bottom surgery is brutal. can you really stand behind the idea of making access to women's spaces dependent on someone doing that to themselves?

Brutal for who? Lots of surgery could be called brutal. Hip joint surgery involves hammers and saws. It is the outcome that matters. Happy post-op trans people.
Angrysaurus · 14/10/2021 17:45

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Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

SpringCrocus · 15/10/2021 01:02

If you have male genitals, you are a man, so use the male toilets.

If you have had male genital removal, you are still a man, so campaign for a seperate gender space.

If you are a natal born woman, who identifies as male, campaign for a seperate gender space.

Just like Women had to do, to get single SEX spaces.

Wtf should Women give up our hard fought for, single sex spaces?

SpringCrocus · 15/10/2021 01:05

I fully expect my post to be deleted. Too honest.

TreaslakeandBack · 15/10/2021 02:14

@SpringCrocus

If you have male genitals, you are a man, so use the male toilets.

If you have had male genital removal, you are still a man, so campaign for a seperate gender space.

If you are a natal born woman, who identifies as male, campaign for a seperate gender space.

Just like Women had to do, to get single SEX spaces.

Wtf should Women give up our hard fought for, single sex spaces?

I think you are right though. I have changed my mind about surgery being how it is decided due to some good arguments on here. Not sure why it would be deleted, it isn’t offensive to anyone?
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SpringCrocus · 15/10/2021 02:19

Ah, but "the watchers" will complain and MNHQ will delete

SpringCrocus · 15/10/2021 02:21

Maybe not, I can but hope they recognise that being GC is an acceptable belief (Forstater, 2021)

Waitwhat23 · 15/10/2021 02:44

OP, I don't know if you've seen this but it's very handy - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Re: a pp comment about 'inciting violence', you'll struggle to find any 'terfs' or GC feminists who have done that (unless you count ribbons or stickers as a hate crime). On the other side, you'll find things like this - www.terfisaslur.com

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