“How to spot terf ideology” - Cambridge uni

[Dancingbea]

I thought this was a parody but apparently not
www.cambridgesu.co.uk/resources/guides/spottingterfideology/

Cripes am glad I never went to university

How can they be so thick. Like totally thick

Milo the privileged.

Ever had to work. Or been skint

Not a clue how most women live. The privilege of the rich Milo

What I find interesting is the document is very out of date on this issue.

I assumed it was old- like 8 years.

I bet they get shit from both 'sides' on this!

Oh dear. That video is so painfully bad. I'm cringing.

Where is says 'TERF', insert 'WITCH' or 'HERETIC'.

Dd aged 12 had a lesson on period poverty today. The language in the literature from the charity talked about period havers 🙄🙄. The male teacher shouted “otherwise known as WOMEN and GIRLS” (think I love him). Dd said “is this what you are going on about mum now I don’t know what to think”.

@areyoufinkiddingme

I'm still struggling to get my head around some of the thought processes here

You'll find that becomes much easier if you stop thinking and just accept everything they say.

"Ensure trans people lead discussion and action on issues that affect them"
So that's everything then, because there are transpeople everywhere.

Women's issues, trans should lead.
Race issues, trans should lead.
Disability, trans should lead.
Healthcare, trans should lead.

I can see why so many people are coming out as trans. For an oppressed minority, they seem to think that they should lead the discussion on every issue.

[quote NotTerfNorCis]It hasn't gone down well on Twitter.

twitter.com/SU_Womens/status/1447570773879795717?t=XZPT4VB5SkNwXsBGMhUI8w&s=19[/quote]
I can't see much it says the author has hidden tweets. I can imagine which ones Milo has hidden.

Why does milo feel it appropriate to take a woman's officer post or be part of a woman's only college if he is a he?

Could it be because milo actually considers themselves a woman?

The leaflet is just laughably bad. I wouldn't mind a reasoned trans right leaflet, even if I disagreed with the principles. If milo wants to campaign for trans rights that's okay, but why apply for women's officer to do this? And then publish a poorly written leaflet about how much you hate women?

It only has one like on the cambridge trans students page!

I know we are having a laugh about its awfulness and rightfully so, but I am sick to death of anyone who is gender critical being portrayed as someone who hates and fears trans people. I don't and I don't think I have ever seen a viper on this board say something truly transphobic. But people like fucking Milo won't be happy until GC people all live in fear of getting their heads kicked in if they dare to criticise the TRA agenda. I find that really scary.

'Ensure trans people lead discussion and action on issues that affect them"'

I noted on a different thread the other day, and just had a rant at DH-

Action? ACTION?

What fucking action?

There are various stats etc raised often.

Some (the ones raised most often) are focussed on murder, attempted suicide and self harm (esp young people). The stats are dodgy. They are raised to manipulate and also to 'win' the Oppression Olympics.

However. Much less commonly raised are things that I have no doubt are issues for plenty of trans people, in particular males who adopt feminine presentation full time. But others also esp young and from areas where it's generally risky to step out of line. Plus no getting away from parents being arseholes to children kicking them out etc if they don't conform to whatever.

Things like-
Homelessness
Elevated risk of Street harrassment/ violence (from men)
Vulnerability due to sometimes complex MH issues
Discrimination with housing / employment
I don't know where stats from but higher incidence of selling sex is definitely more than possible esp younger males

What have I seen about doing anything about any of that? NOTHING. Fuck all.

There are loads of trans orgs and until recently were widely supported, often corporate donors, seen as main cause to help with.

Could have done all sorts.

Centres / helplines etc specifically for LGBT+ people around rape, DV. Run by people who understand the specific risks, needs, challenges for those groups.

Help around housing, homelessness, jobs. Practical help. Etc.

Help for those wanting to exit sex industry. With decent support through from getting out safely to what happens next until things are settled so that no feeling need to return. Training etc.

If this is going on they're keeping it bloody quiet.

All I see from orgs is-

Women open up your spaces stop whining.
Loads of places need much more training on T stuff this will really help.
Here are the things we want. The govt etc need to give them to us.

It's really hit home that this isn't about vulnerable trans people either. Not those who were have been around for yonks, nor even the hordes of children that have essentially been fed it all.

They are all being used too.

The leaflet is basically one big neon 'I hate women'

It talks about how we need to be careful of terfs. Their ideology is believable but wrong, narrow minded etc. But there is not one single sentence that actually says why they are wrong, what is actually wrong with what 'terfs' are saying. It says we should develop a critical understanding of sex and gender to combat terfs, but not one sentence that actually gives a critical understanding of sex and gender. Not one thing you could actually say to a terf. Just empty waffle. I'm just so disappointed that a cambridge student could think that leaflet is in anyway useful or valid. It's vague crap. I could write a better argument against terfs and I am one!

I wonder what Mary Beard thinks.

I love that they are calling biological sex an ideology.

Talk about lose your audience before you've finished your sentence.

The primary TERF assertion is that trans women are not women, and accordingly have no place in women’s spaces. TERFs define misogyny as sex-based oppression, which results from being “biologically female”

🤣🤣🤣

@Datun

I love that they are calling biological sex an ideology.

Talk about lose your audience before you've finished your sentence.

Newspeak

@krustykittens

I know we are having a laugh about its awfulness and rightfully so, but I am sick to death of anyone who is gender critical being portrayed as someone who hates and fears trans people. I don't and I don't think I have ever seen a viper on this board say something truly transphobic. But people like fucking Milo won't be happy until GC people all live in fear of getting their heads kicked in if they dare to criticise the TRA agenda. I find that really scary.

Sorry I disagree enough to post.

No a he/ him shouldn't be women's officer.
Yes it's more than shit that the women's officer issues thing saying essentially.
Trans people are more important than anything.
I can't remember any mention of women other than to say put others first. And to say avoid any who might talk sense at you they are baddies.

This person is female - vanishingly unlikely to harbour violent fantasies of kicking women in the head, let alone really hoping that lots of women get brutalised soon.

Yes some women are violent and aggressive. Some women can be sometimes. However the wording you used screams male violence. Do you really think that this person has the type of rage and blood lust, the sheer level of aggression, to enjoy watching/ joining in with men booting a woman's head after flooring her? Because she probably thinks sex matters? I mean most men wouldn't generally go that far. Likelihood of death- murder.

IME I've only seen it that bad with hardcore football hooligans and NF. Oh and police sometimes obv...

To me it's not written passionately and uses way out of date terminology. Not indicative of someone deeply involved.

Also they say. Don't chat if you must be aware they might talk sense and change your mind.

It doesn't say. They are bigoted Nazis who want all transpeople exterminated. Also homophobic right wing. Also human form is fake they are actually lethal alien killing machines here to turn us into slaves.

Also I would suggest that a female person who is presumably v clever, wanting he/ him. But also to be women's officer. Is. Not quite sure where they're at.

In short.

It's the males we need to be concerned about. Yes women can be awful. But no fucking way NEAR as bad as men.

@Voice0fReason ah yes, silly me!

• Trans liberation is an essential part of feminism, and in the current climate any feminist organisation doing valuable work will have trans liberation and transfeminism integral to what they are doing

So centre trans people in all women's issues, got it.

• Ensure trans people lead discussion and action on issues that affect them

Well trans people are centred in everything, so trans people must lead on...literally everything, then.

Not stuff to do with the men etc.

Just minority groups who need to do that. Esp women obv.

@FemaleAndLearning I don't know about the app, but on the web version you can view the hidden replies. I particularly enjoyed Rik from the Young Ones turning up on more than one occasion.

Yes, you've got it, LonginesPrime!

Trans liberation is an essential part of feminism, and in the current climate any feminist organisation doing valuable work will have trans liberation and transfeminism integral to what they are doing

"Men accessing women's spaces is an essential part of feminism, and in the current climate any feminist organisation doing valuable work will have mens demands integral to what they are doing"