Marion Millar's case delayed again

[Cabinfever10]

As the title says yet again today's hearing/legal arguments have been rescheduled this time until the 1st of November. 🤬🤬

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Presenting what's happened in this way is a very DARVO thing to do, but that's trans activists for you.

It's very telling when one side has nothing but lies and hyperbole.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

As I recall LGB removed it themselves as it was being so widely quoted out it context. And the Charity Commission have to investigate all complaints, no matter how ill-founded or malicious.

[Alicethroughtheblackmirror]

You must think we all button up the back Margarita. You know full well what that tweet was about and how manipulative, disingenuous, duplicitous people misrepresented it because they have no arguments, only insults and lies.

The only reason for objecting to what they wrote would be if you DO think it should be included.

Using Twitter as your moral arbiter is interesting though. They remove lots of statements of scientific fact and leave up a lot of porn and accounts from people who talk of being "minor attracted". Bit of a red flag really...

[yourhairiswinterfire]

Yeah, Margarita already knows all of this, but here she is, still libelling LGBA anyway.

Still, it gives us a chance to point out what actually happened to any lurkers that may have only seen the lies, the clickbait headlines, and the conveniently cropped screenshot that stripped the LGBA's tweet of context, that removed what they were actually responding to. They clearly don't have any genuine, solid reasons to bash LGBA, so they have to invent some. Tragic.

So thank you (again) Margarita, for giving us the opportunity to clear that up 👍

[CuriousaboutSamphire]

Button up the back 😂 I haven't heard that for years! Thank you.

[MargaritaPie]

Perhaps Twitter is so unpopular here because they often ban accounts for hateful conduct?

Re the LGBA, if you actually go to the URL of the removed tweet you will see a message that it was removed by Twitter.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Re the LGBA, if you actually go to the URL of the removed tweet you will see a message that it was removed by Twitter.

Could you post the URL? I was obviously wrong about LGBA removing.

Of course twitter removing a tweet means very little - they are not exactly renowned for theit evenhanded and logical moderation.

[PronounssheRa]

Perhaps Twitter is so unpopular here because they often ban accounts for hateful conduct?

I mean if you use twitter as the arbiter of good v bad, you need to acknowledge twitter allows men to openly post dick pics, threats, and pedophiles discuss 'age of attraction'.

It's not the place that would inform my personal values.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Apologies, just realised I let myself get derailed again

In better news, Marion's latest fundraiser is at £19,700 I'm assuming that excludes all the PayPal donations and other donations that had already been received.

[RedDogsBeg]

If you get all your information and opinions from what is said on Twitter that explains a hell of a lot about you MargaritaPie and none of it good.

[suggestionsplease1]

Thanks MargaritaPie for bringing to light the damaging activities that are being engaged in by LGB Alliance.

The mob mentality on these threads at times is designed to undermine and ridicule voices that challenge them with the hope of silencing them; but be in no doubt reasonable people are reading these threads and listening.

[MargaritaPie]

I don't have the URL handy but I do have this if it helps

[Eucalyptustrees]

Thanks for the derisory fake news attempts Pie. You are bumping the thread.

[CuriousaboutSamphire]

@suggestionsplease1

Thanks MargaritaPie for bringing to light the damaging activities that are being engaged in by LGB Alliance.

The mob mentality on these threads at times is designed to undermine and ridicule voices that challenge them with the hope of silencing them; but be in no doubt reasonable people are reading these threads and listening.

What damaging activities? Specifically, describe one.

Damaging to whom? And how? Again, specifics required, not some if the usual twaddle.

So... you think you see mob mentality here. In the one corner of one forum in the UK, mostly used by women in the UK, where discussions about women's rights are allowed relatively unfettered.

But you don't see any mob mentality on Twitter, a worldwide, free for all site?

Motes and beams, sweetheart, motes and beams!

[nauticant]

We moved on from "she's a witch!" to "explain to me why you're denouncing her as a witch" a couple of years back.

[Artichokeleaves]

@MargaritaPie

"to protect him from a mob of violent thugs"

You mean a crowd of young LBGT people and their allies who don't want a hater amongst them?

The haters were the ones who threw out a homosexual for being homosexual. You are lying in service of your homophobia.

It's pretty revolting really.

And yes, a derail.

[CuriousaboutSamphire]

Well, some of us did.

Others have exhausted their arsenal of clever and have cycled back to their beginnings, desperately hoping nobody notices and it all sounds fresh and new again.

Nope!

[Jaysmith71]

You mean a crowd of young LBGT people and their allies who don't want a hater amongst them?

He was a hatter until they nicked it.

[Masdintle]

In skim reading between work emails I read that as 'young LGBT people and their willies' 😱

[dolorsit]

I've reported MargaritaPie's lies before. Mumsnet declined to delete as "the post has been roundly and immediately rebutted so we are content to let it stand as illuminating."

Although Mpie does seem to tap dance along the lines of libel/contempt of court sometimes. However I would agree that the clown 🤡 dancing can be illuminating.

[Artichokeleaves]

I agree it's very helpful to see the overt homophobia front and centre. And the attitude and the alternative facts.

[RedDogsBeg]

add misogyny and xenophobia to that list Artichokekeaves, not a triumvirate to be proud of.

[suggestionsplease1]

@CuriousaboutSamphire

damaging activities, well I would certainly include a tweet that said:

“Adding the + to LGB gives the green light to paraphilias like bestiality – and more – to all be part of one big happy ‘rainbow family’. Wake up policy makers."

That is conflating non-consensual and illegal sexual activities with other perfectly legal and consensual sexualities.

That is hugely damaging and problematic, and encourages anyone reading that hyperbole to engage in the same lack of critical thinking and make the same error of judgement that the author of the text already made, with the resultant discrimination against the vulnerable minorities that they want to put in the same bracket as those committing crimes against animals.

[Deliriumoftheendless]

I haven’t seen such a cringy gotcha since Noel Edmonds did that one one Eddie Large.

[yourhairiswinterfire]

“Adding the + to LGB gives the green light to paraphilias like bestiality – and more – to all be part of one big happy ‘rainbow family’. Wake up policy makers."

That is conflating non-consensual and illegal sexual activities with other perfectly legal and consensual sexualities.

Did you see the link they included in the tweet, or did you only see the screenshot that was cropped to remove it?

They quote tweeted Allison Bailey, who linked to a paper where someone was arguing for bestiality to be added to the LGBT+,

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/abs/lgbtqz/85A2B98B6708318C7C7DAAE40D15D4C9#

It is damaging and problematic, and that's why LGBA were objecting to it. What's your problem with that?