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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS rainbow badge scheme

177 replies

WarriorN · 04/10/2021 11:23

Just seen this:

As pointed out, where are the badges for people with learning disabilities?

Inclusion excluding people with real needs.

NHS rainbow badge scheme
NHS rainbow badge scheme
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LobsterNapkin · 06/10/2021 02:24

@headintheproverbial

The problem is that the vast majority of people the rainbow is just about not being homophobic. They don't actually think it has to do with gender ideology (if they even know what that is) and so can't possibly imagine what could be wrong about a rainbow lanyard
Even without talking about gender identity though, it's problematic in this setting.

Lots of people who use the health service may have very conservative views on sexuality. I live near a settlement of members of an anabaptist religious sect - think a bit like the Amish. If they go into the hospital and see it full of rainbow lanyards, are they going to feel that it's a place for them?

Deliriumoftheendless · 06/10/2021 06:59

I dunno Margarita, perhaps read some of the links or even the posts here instead of randomly dropping “innocent face” style comments in.

You might start to understand a different point of view instead of always be head scratching.

Hathertonhariden · 06/10/2021 07:44

MargaritaPie the 1950's are back for the L&G community who are having to fight to have the boundaries of their sexuality recognised and accepted.

KittenKong · 06/10/2021 07:49

Oh but but - rainbows and glitter! Be kind! Drag and playpups! Don’t forget ‘no debate’ and ‘I will punch you/get you fired if you disagree’

Kids today huh...

ErrolTheDragon · 06/10/2021 08:32

@headintheproverbial

The problem is that the vast majority of people the rainbow is just about not being homophobic. They don't actually think it has to do with gender ideology (if they even know what that is) and so can't possibly imagine what could be wrong about a rainbow lanyard
I think that's the case, and wouldn't assume anything but good intent on the part of staff wearing the lanyards, unless accompanied by words or deeds to the contrary, of course. Of course we support being against homophobia, and (actual) transphobia.

It's the fact that the rainbow has gone from being the sign of LGB, and latterly T, rights to being effectively the corporate logo of Stonewall which makes this branding problematic nowadays. Stonewall has, unfortunately, changed beyond all recognition from a good and necessary champion of LGB rights without harming anyone else to a position of remorselessly trying to erode women's rights.

Helleofabore · 06/10/2021 09:03

To clarify Margarita’s ubiquitous attempts at ascribing hate and phobia to Maya’s tweet (08.25 3/10/21) I have posted below. Because, as usual, this poster will snipe from the sidelines and won’t post any supporting evidence for their views.

Police forces have spent good money to bedeck their cars with the banner of the movement that says women's safety doesnt matter, women's fear doesn't matter, women can't believe their own eyes and speaking up is a hate crime.

Can you see it yet?

As you can all see, Maya is pointing out that the movement who forces female prisons to share cells and showers with male rapists and sex offenders is also decorating police cars. At a time when it becomes apparent that in the wake of one horrific rape and murder, that the culture has allowed this to happen. Therefore the car is aptly decorated.

To be clear, she is not referring to the hypocritical ‘inclusive’ catch all (because it isn’t inclusive these days at all except in the minds of people who seek comfort from that lie).

As Maya says ‘can you see it yet?’

I am willing to bet that Margarita will never admit to ‘seeing it’. They will decry the issues of horrific treatment of women and girls within the people force (because: expedient and signals virtue) and refuse to admit that the progression of prioritising gender over sex has just as significantly harmed females. (because: harmful to the cause and unkind)

In fact, the answer will go:

‘It will never happen’
‘If it did happen, it was only once’

and so on and so on.

Shedbuilder · 06/10/2021 09:26

@HeyYouGuuuuuuys

I got given one of these at work and I said I'm not gay they said we needed a % of our department to be wearing them to show 'solidarity' and I'd been chosen as one. Hmm
Thank you for proving my point that a lot of people wearing them will be doing so under sufferance.
KittenKong · 06/10/2021 09:42

I have a work one (supplied by the building) but it’s an ugly colour so I use my suffragette coloured one instead.

Artichokeleaves · 06/10/2021 13:07

@headintheproverbial

The problem is that the vast majority of people the rainbow is just about not being homophobic. They don't actually think it has to do with gender ideology (if they even know what that is) and so can't possibly imagine what could be wrong about a rainbow lanyard
Yes.

It's almost like people's good will and naivety has been taken advantage of, isn't it? One controversial political agenda spread far and wide, helped along by those who thought they were just being harmlessly 'nice'.

ruinedalready · 07/10/2021 18:12

Ffs it's just a badge to show you support everyone in there own identities..
have a day off and try to just enjoy the fact the nhs are trying to brighten things up a bit.
Money money money... moan moan moan..
they probably cost pennies and will be a tax write off anyway so who cares.
Stop being so rude to others happiness over a badge!

ErrolTheDragon · 07/10/2021 19:11

they probably cost pennies and will be a tax write off anyway so who cares.

Er... how exactly does a 'tax write off' work in the context of an organisation funded from taxes?Confused I suppose not quite as bad as if commercial organisations are not paying full tax to fund the NHS, education etc for coloured ribbons.

KittenKong · 07/10/2021 19:13

Your job - in the NHS - is to treat everyone to the best of your ability without judgement or favour.

If you need a badge that says you won’t treat any patient less favourably because they are a member of an incredibly large and vocal group, then why are you doing that job? And if everyone is made/‘encouraged’ to wear one (and its bit quite clear if it’s NHS rainbow or LGBetc rainbow) then the sentiment is useless.

I’d rather there were lanyards or badges that indicated some useful thing - so if you can use BSL, or are a paramedic, maybe you have had mental health training, your seniority level, or maybe speak another language (like the badges that airline and hotel staff have).

Lovelyricepudding · 07/10/2021 20:37

Ffs it's just a badge to show you support everyone in there own identities.

It doesn't show that though - it shows your support a ideology that specifically excludes those whose disagree with the concept of gender identities. A badge that is part of the same policy that calls women who think sex matters derogatory terms and indicates they should be excluded from care. A policy that ignores safeguarding and the impact of sex on medical care. Why on earth would I want someone who indicates their support for all that anywhere near me in hospital?

Waitwhat23 · 07/10/2021 20:55

I’d rather there were lanyards or badges that indicated some useful thing - so if you can use BSL, or are a paramedic, maybe you have had mental health training, your seniority level, or maybe speak another language (like the badges that airline and hotel staff have).

Great point - this would be far more helpful and inclusive.

ruinedalready · 07/10/2021 21:12

I didn't realise the controversy over this badge..
i genuinely thought it was a positive move from the nhs to show its support to people.
Interesting to read everyone's views on all aspects!

EsmaCannonball · 07/10/2021 21:26

I know so many people with deteriorating health conditions because they are not receiving timely treatment. Only today an elderly neighbour told me she cannot have a cataract removal on the NHS until her vision in that eye has reduced to 5%. Imagine reading (if you can still effing see) that the NHS can't afford to save your vision but it can afford to employ a Rainbow Badge Enforcer, or whatever the stupid job title is. Given the immense problems it is facing, is this really the time for the NHS to squander so much money on buttons and fatuous training schemes and non-jobs? It's almost as if it's playing right into the hands of those who'd like to dismantle it. (Ditto the BBC.)

yourhairiswinterfire · 07/10/2021 21:37

Money money money... moan moan moan..
they probably cost pennies and will be a tax write off anyway so who cares

£220k is hardly ''pennies''. That's how much ''NHS Rainbow Badge Phase 2'' is costing.

www.contractsfinder.service.gov.uk/Notice/a234dff7-a278-477d-873a-63a9f06f7040

thecritic.co.uk/badges-of-obedience/

SammyScrounge · 07/10/2021 21:38

Do you think they are going to push for trans ideology being preached at the sick, particularly if said patient has been assaulted as she lies on her sick bed

It is all so sinister
What are LGBT trying to achieve with all their bullying and icky pretty rainbow?
Where are the Unions whose job it is protect workers?
People are being sacked for rejecting trans theory -when did that become a ssckable offense? When did it become ok to harass
other workers about pronouns and lanyards? Why is it all right to force teachers to spread trans ideology?
Why aren't the Unions taking these people on?
Well we'll see what happens in Scotland when Sturgeon:s good friends start chucking their weight about.

littlbrowndog · 07/10/2021 21:41

Wow 220k on rainbow badges

Fucks sake

KittenKong · 07/10/2021 21:44

Plus the Badgefinder General’s annual salary (and cost of employment etc)

littlbrowndog · 07/10/2021 21:44

It’s a health service supporting everyone’s health

That’s it

No. Need for badges

Get on with being a health service

twinklystar23 · 07/10/2021 22:33

As part of the pandemic a lovely rainbow card with badge was given to NHS staff at our local hospital. Forget the pathetic 1% pay rise wasnt happening at that time. Anyhow I submitted FOI request into the full cost by way of meetings etc as well as questions around the procurement of the design and production. Understandably they were busy, though the expected date of this was due 3 weeks ago. Hopefully will update this thread when I hear back Grin

ChristmasPlanning · 08/10/2021 01:15

@WarriorN

Yup.

A local hospital now has a massive rainbow crossing instead of black and white one.... completely missing the point of the black and white crossing for those with partial sight. 🙄

No words
JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 08/10/2021 13:40

@KittenKong

Your job - in the NHS - is to treat everyone to the best of your ability without judgement or favour.

If you need a badge that says you won’t treat any patient less favourably because they are a member of an incredibly large and vocal group, then why are you doing that job? And if everyone is made/‘encouraged’ to wear one (and its bit quite clear if it’s NHS rainbow or LGBetc rainbow) then the sentiment is useless.

I’d rather there were lanyards or badges that indicated some useful thing - so if you can use BSL, or are a paramedic, maybe you have had mental health training, your seniority level, or maybe speak another language (like the badges that airline and hotel staff have).

This is a brilliant post! I would 100% support spending on a scheme like that.
WarriorN · 08/10/2021 14:11

@twinklystar23

As part of the pandemic a lovely rainbow card with badge was given to NHS staff at our local hospital. Forget the pathetic 1% pay rise wasnt happening at that time. Anyhow I submitted FOI request into the full cost by way of meetings etc as well as questions around the procurement of the design and production. Understandably they were busy, though the expected date of this was due 3 weeks ago. Hopefully will update this thread when I hear back Grin

Oooh well done. Will be interesting to hear the response.

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