NHS rainbow badge scheme

[WarriorN]

Just seen this:

As pointed out, where are the badges for people with learning disabilities?

Inclusion excluding people with real needs.

A school for pupils with additional needs and autism near me teaches children road safety and has all the examples of crossings etc for independent living. Rainbow definitely isn't one of the them

They're v distracting. This is a different one near me.

@endofagain

For me, the rainbow badge/lanyard/anything signals the wearer's politics and their disrespect for women/women's rights. It tells me they don't care about women's safety or the provision of single sex wards for example. It is a political and ideological statement and should have no place in the NHS, the Police, the Civil Service, Local Government or anywhere else that deals with the public. Aside from that, it is a completely unnecessary waste of tax payers' money.

Yup, completely agree.

There's a crock of shit under the rainbow nowadays.

Fuck that.

@Helleofabore

so if I saw a NHS staff member with a rainbow anything, I would have assumed it is a continuance of the NHS rainbows that appeared last year around covid.

That is what happens when someone comes along and creates a symbol from one that has always had a message attached to it previously (ie. hope) and is a natural phenomena. You simply cannot own it.

The rainbow flag used to be really useful in identifying a gay pub, back when they were a thing. Now I avoid it completely. Chalk me up as another escapee lesbian.

Me too - and the extended remix version even more so.

Zebra crossings are precisely specified in legislation. See the sections on 'road markings'. Perhaps you can paint whatever you want on private land but definitely shouldn't be done on a public road.

See the sections on Road Markings.

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/2400/made

[quote ErrolTheDragon]Zebra crossings are precisely specified in legislation. See the sections on 'road markings'. Perhaps you can paint whatever you want on private land but definitely shouldn't be done on a public road.

See the sections on Road Markings.

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/2400/made[/quote]
Is this a classic example of people being so caught up with advocacy that they forget that items like zebra crossings have a specific and well-specified function?

Ok. So i absolutely don’t what to out myself here, so quick name change.

I work in elf n safety type stuff (being deliberately vague) and have previously been asked to report on whether those rainbow crossings are a good idea.

I did a lot of very careful research, and concluded.. no they are the opposite of inclusive. Nightmare for the partially sighted, those with Parkinson’s, dementia, ASD…..

The rainbow paint has different grip characteristics, which is a worry, if you are jamming the brakes on to avoid someone. and yep, it is NOT in the traffic signs manual. Which means in theory I think you’d need permission off the government to do it.

I got a fair bit of pushback along the lines of. oooobut it’s niiiiice. I responded that I wasn’t prepared to stand up in court and defend a bloody non—Standard crossing if someone got hit. Big old killjoy that I am.

I suggested if they were so desperate, put a rainbow mural on a building, it a rainbow trail in the pedestrian area, but don’t fuck with highway safety.

[quote JustcameoutGC]@AnyFucker I will see your e mail pronouns and raise you pronouns ANNOUCED ON A CALL. I had to resist the urge to say "That's nice dear"[/quote]
I'm in an NHS related charity and this happens too. I have to put my head down so he/him can't see me rolling my eyes at his nonsense.

@bellinisurge

Ghastly shit. I wore a mask in suffragette colours when I got jabbed. One of the doctors (female) when handing me some vaccine info handout, said "like your mask". Could you imagine how much shit she would get for wearing something similar? Or even just a little badge.

I wear a (small) suffragette badge on my NHS lanyard. I love it when people notice & comment.

got a fair bit of pushback along the lines of. oooobut it’s niiiiice. I responded that I wasn’t prepared to stand up in court and defend a bloody non—Standard crossing if someone got hit. Big old killjoy that I am.

As a member of the public may I thank you for this genuine public service.

I’m an NHS worker who wears this badge and honestly did not know about the negative connotations associated with it. I would never want anyone to feel that I wouldn’t provide good care because of a badge. I will be removing it from my lanyard in the morning

Thank you Kirstymonkey3. You have no idea how much my blood pressure goes up when confronted with a rainbow badge.

I'm immediately looking for signs: is this HCP woke? Possibly trans? A kindly soul who went on a half-day course and has absolutely no idea what's currently going in on LGB and TQ+ camps? A would-be trans ally who's not going to approve of my GC views? Someone who's looking to prove to their colleagues how unhomophobic they are because maybe they suspect they are a bit? Someone who's wearing it because everyone's expected to wear it but doesn't think much of LGB people? It's a minefield.

@endofagain

For me, the rainbow badge/lanyard/anything signals the wearer's politics and their disrespect for women/women's rights. It tells me they don't care about women's safety or the provision of single sex wards for example. It is a political and ideological statement and should have no place in the NHS, the Police, the Civil Service, Local Government or anywhere else that deals with the public. Aside from that, it is a completely unnecessary waste of tax payers' money.

The homophobia really jumped out here.

Interesting. I'm NHS and haven't heard anything about a rainbow badge scheme. We have a tonne of rainbow shite everywhere, but it's all pandemic related. Which hacks me off as a coopted symbol. But no political statement. And no pronoun emails either.

@JoborPlay

Interesting. I'm NHS and haven't heard anything about a rainbow badge scheme. We have a tonne of rainbow shite everywhere, but it's all pandemic related. Which hacks me off as a coopted symbol. But no political statement. And no pronoun emails either.

I couldn't tell you the last time I saw an NHS England/Wales/Scotland email without pronouns. They've obviously done something at NICE as well in the last 2 months or so because I've not had a single email from them that doesn't include pronouns.

EmbarrassingAdmissions

I'll look out for it coming then!

@JoborPlay

Interesting. I'm NHS and haven't heard anything about a rainbow badge scheme. We have a tonne of rainbow shite everywhere, but it's all pandemic related. Which hacks me off as a coopted symbol. But no political statement. And no pronoun emails either.

Same. Nearly all of my colleagues have rainbow lanyards but I'm fairly sure most of them (and most of our service users) think it's an NHS pandemic rainbow rather than a Stonewall rainbow. I wear a home made GWV lanyard instead and nobody has said a word to me about it. Pronouns haven't landed yet.

If any approach is made I'm prepared to point out that our service users might find it unsettling that an NHS-linked organisation doesn't understand fundamental biological realities or the need to protect single sex spaces for vulnerable women.

I noticed it for the first time via our LA jobs email.

How on Earth we are going to struggle with the pronouns of a "Mrs Emily Peters" I really don't know though. "My preferred pronouns are she / her." Ya don't say.

How demeaning.

So many good points already made by people above, but I am so sad and angry about this. Even a year ago I'd have thought nothing of rainbow lanyards but a easy nod to inclusivity and equality and would happily have worn one myself. Now it screams out as exactly the opposite, quite aggressively and performatively, and I would be wary of anyone wearing one and how much they would be policing patients and colleagues, as well as centering themselves and their feels above all else. This is not what the NHS or LGBT support needs at all right now.

Me too - I am wary of people who announce they are allies, wear their rainbows or announce their pronouns. I just haven’t got the patience for this performance (and they usually they have no clue about stonewall law, or the rights that women have fought tooth and nail for being dismantled).

These rainbow crossings are bloody dangerous, why aren't those responsible for this madness being held to account? How the hell is a driver supposed to know that they are supposed to stop at one of these? How much money has been spent on this? Has the NHS footed the bill?
I have been racked in joint pain since March this year and haven't been able to see a doctor face to face.
This is an absolute disgrace.

www.mtw.nhs.uk/2019/10/first-rainbow-pride-pedestrian-crossing-unveiled-at-maidstone-hospital/

www.chad.co.uk/news/people/nhs-rainbow-pedestrian-crossing-is-a-first-at-suttons-kings-mill-hospital-3174167

I would be wary of anyone wearing one and how much they would be policing patients and colleagues, as well as centering themselves and their feels above all else.

I always think it's for ally points and workplace Stasi competing for bonus SW snitch points to be gained by denouncing people in struggle sessions and recommending them for re-education 'for their own improvement'.

I’ve been called all the names and had all the threats as an L person; the inclusion bit isn't about homosexuality, it's about obedience to gender ideology.

I feel for you, Artichokeleaves. Sticking the T onto LGB was a clever and very dishonest move. It lets heterosexual males claim the ’right’ to expect sex with lesbians —just another way of breaking women’s boundaries — while reaping the goodwill gained by the LGB movement.

I try to mention this whenever I get the chance. It pisses me off that my lesbian friends are bracketed with antifeminists.

I recently was walking with my visually impaired sister and we went to cross the road on a stripey crossing (wasn’t a rainbow but was different colours).

Her comment ‘well that’s fucking stupid’. My other sister said - you wouldn’t get a horse over that.

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