Dominic Cummings tweet

[Mollyollydolly]

When things have reached the stage that you agree with Dominic Cummings. I'll never forgive Labour and Stonewall.

I admire Liz Truss’ GC stance but absolutely nothing else about her. Her so-called trade deals are laughable and she’s one of the least inspiring politicians I’ve ever heard speak. I really don’t understand why she’s so popular among Conservatives. Maybe they think she’s the reincarnation of Margaret Thatcher.

I think she might be the only woman that’s stuck up for women and then got promoted. (I know that’s not exactly why, but still.) It’s also pleasing how much it probably pissed off Dominic Raab.

So Liz truss is a decade younger than Raab and nearly two decades younger than Boris?

He is intelligent. He is probably not very nice. He is not a politician. I like, however, the fact that he does look outside the Westminster bubble and research issues that are of concern to the electorate. But then I can't understand why Labour, almost wilfully, seem to refuse to listen to their potential voters.

I agree with this.

There's a fascinating triggernometry interview with a researcher who presented some research to both ten tories and Labour before Cameron got in.

Tories took a huge amount of notice and listened. Labour weren't.

I occasionally find myself agreeing with Cummings in ways I don't want to at all. He's not a politician. He's v good at researching things.

He's actually quite right in his use of terms.

Labour weren't interested.

It was Matthew Goodwin (my god he's not even 40 yet...!)

@borntobequiet

I admire Liz Truss’ GC stance but absolutely nothing else about her. Her so-called trade deals are laughable and she’s one of the least inspiring politicians I’ve ever heard speak. I really don’t understand why she’s so popular among Conservatives. Maybe they think she’s the reincarnation of Margaret Thatcher.

Works the other way too, though. Some people who I agreed with on many, many other things have shown themselves to be misogynistic creeps on this one.

Also, I am in agreement on this with some people whose views I abhor on many, many other things things.

Cue Crispin Blunt, Caroline Noakes, the entire LD's. There are f*ckers on both sides of this, and there are otherwise decent people with both views on this.

However, I think there is an inherent misogyny in people who can't even acknowledge that women have the full right to claim sex based rights on this. Not only the DL's of this world who state that women parts are so easily grown with surgery and hormones. Without the decency to acknowledge women in our full humanity and rights to name ourselves alone.

So, even if I agree with some people on other things, I wouldn't fully trust them ever again as I see they don't respect women as fully human and with associated rights. Some are indeed complicit, if not instrumental, in the trampling over our safety and fairness.

@WarriorN

He is intelligent. He is probably not very nice. He is not a politician. I like, however, the fact that he does look outside the Westminster bubble and research issues that are of concern to the electorate. But then I can't understand why Labour, almost wilfully, seem to refuse to listen to their potential voters.

I agree with this.

There's a fascinating triggernometry interview with a researcher who presented some research to both ten tories and Labour before Cameron got in.

Tories took a huge amount of notice and listened. Labour weren't.

I occasionally find myself agreeing with Cummings in ways I don't want to at all. He's not a politician. He's v good at researching things.

He's actually quite right in his use of terms.

That sounds quite interesting.

I suspect this goes back to the idea that people who see themselves as progressive tend to relate that to a slate of particular ideological issues. They support those issues, whether or not they are popular with people.

Tories are known as being more pragmatic and wanting to win, which is true to some extent. But I also think there is an element in their thinking now (may not have always been true) that puts more emphasis on representing people's actual views as itself being an ideologically important idea.

Or another way to say the same thing is that if you read conservative thinkers, and the conservative press many of them have a real belief in the process of liberal democracy. Whereas the the progressive press don't.

To my mind it was one of the most interesting interviews they've done:

Matthew Goodwin is absolutely loathed by the UK left.

@VladmirsPoutine

The use of Talcum X in reference to OJ really doesn't work.

Really? it cracks me up everytime. Wasen't it the name given to him by other Guardian staffers.

@dyslek It's usually used to describe Shaun King a writer/activist who's gone to great lengths to prove that he's not completely white. And in the most general sense is a nickname given to white people who are so wracked with white guilt that they become civil rights activists for POC but they go absolutely wild with it. None of this fits OJ. But then again the word 'woke' has been hijacked too so I guess words can be moulded to mean anything, ironically.

I'v only ever heard it in relation to LOJ

@nauticant

To my mind it was one of the most interesting interviews they've done:

Matthew Goodwin is absolutely loathed by the UK left.

Thank you for that, it was completely fascinating. I've put his book on hold at the library.

I'm not sure the Triggernormatry guys were totally up to digging into his ideas but they did well in letting him speak at length and he's clearly good at making the best use of their questions.

@VladmirsPoutine *“It's usually used…”

Not over here it’s not.

@MidsomerMurmurs I've noticed. It's almost as though words / terminology mean different things to different people.

@VladmirsPoutine yes! I agree. So it’s always great when someone piles in and shares their great wisdom about why certain words “don’t work”

You’re not going to believe this, but some people think “woman” refers to male people! Crazy eh?

I haven’t heard it used other than to refer to OJ either but I assume if VladmirsPoutine says it has been used slightly differently for a while she knows what she’s talking about.

Easy enough to check the inter-webs:

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Talcum%20X

@nauticant

To my mind it was one of the most interesting interviews they've done:

Matthew Goodwin is absolutely loathed by the UK left.

Yes I'm watching it again and, along side a lot of other stuff, he makes the point that Labour are being held back by identity politics. To me, as someone who works in "northern white working class areas" (not too far from Blyth) I can completely understand his analysis.

Interestingly though, as he says, the tories had to adapt and move further over to the centre on a number of things (which is how they got in) and probably even more so now after the pandemic and renewed reverence of the importance of the nhs in many's minds.

I suppose it's to be seen whether Carrie will have her way re identity stuff.

I suppose it's to be seen whether Carrie will have her way re identity stuff

Which Posie mentions in the latest tigger interview!

I assume if VladmirsPoutine says it has been used slightly differently for a while she knows what she’s talking about.

I'm sure she does, but US references often mean little to people in the U.K. I've only ever heard it used about Owen Jones and I don't know who Shaun King is.

In the same way that if some American woman got called Princess Nut Nut in the media, they are unlikely to know it's also a nickname for Carrie.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I assume if VladmirsPoutine says it has been used slightly differently for a while she knows what she’s talking about.

I'm sure she does, but US references often mean little to people in the U.K. I've only ever heard it used about Owen Jones and I don't know who Shaun King is.

And posting The use of Talcum X in reference to OJ really doesn't work isn’t really “saying it has been used slightly differently for a while” is it?

Sick of North American cultural hegemonic assumptions tbh.