Dominic Cummings tweet

[Mollyollydolly]

When things have reached the stage that you agree with Dominic Cummings. I'll never forgive Labour and Stonewall.

It's not the first time the goings-on in 10 (or possibly 11) Downing Street have reminded me of the Tudor court.

Group influences current wife in order to have access to the King ruler of the country. Plus ça change.

I know I’m such ‘basic’ woman… but all of this fucks me off so much. If I heard the same noise about transwomen wanting to chill in make spaces, or any of my queer female friends demanding they can now can be included in male clubs etc… can you imagine

This is nothing to do with ‘living your truth’. It’s blatant misogyny.

Agreed he's probably trying to get at Carrie. Also really depressing to have DC tweet something I agree with even part of.

@2319inprogress

I think he's just forgotten some punctuation "their own £ from Trans; men pretending to be women..."

Or he just accidentally left out the word “identifying”.

I think his use is more accurate than the Stonewall preferred term. And yes many people will think a trans man is a man who believes he is a woman.

I can kind of see how he got so far if he’s willing to come out and be so boldfaced about something pretty controversial. Also totally think it’s a dig at boris and getting his pointed digs in is probably something he’s also been very good at in his career

@leftshark

I know I’m such ‘basic’ woman… but all of this fucks me off so much. If I heard the same noise about transwomen wanting to chill in make spaces, or any of my queer female friends demanding they can now can be included in male clubs etc… can you imagine

Yes I follow a trans man on Instagram who wrote a very well articulated caption about the importance of being respectful and how since they transitioned they never just assumed they had the right to enter male only spaces; specifically those for gay males which is how they identify. They stressed the importance of waiting until you're invited. It was really well received with many positive comments and lots of shares on other people's stories. But to me it just highlighted that the weirdness that it's ok transmen to respectfully wait until they're invited into male only spaces but it's transphobic to request trans women show us the same courtesy.

I never thought I’d agree with Dominic Cummings.

@VladmirsPoutine

The terminology is really throwing me.Does he know what it means. Trans women are natal males, no?

No. I mean, obviously, Stonewall uses that for natal males, but still: no. Transwomen (no space) could, arguably, be used for males. Cummings’ usage is more accurate obviously.

And he knows what word Stonewall would want him to say. His entire MO is chucking things like this (his “misuse” of the Stonewall-sanctioned term) and then walking out of the room, miming a hand-grenade gesture.

Are the rainbow alphabets getting cosy with Carrie? I thought it was unacceptable to align oneself with "right-wing people". I hope the finger waggers that turn up here will be shaming those on their side for such behaviour.

I think the TWAW slogan has confused a lot of people. They think that as it is being said by so many people it must refer to women who want to be men who of course remain female. Many people wouldn't think that many people exist who would say that they believe men can magic in to women rather than just trying to look a bit like them.

Are the rainbow alphabets getting cosy with Carrie?

I posted elsewhere:

"The Times is reporting on Carrie Johnson's intervention:

archive.fo/7xFSO

The LGBT+ Conservatives event is being held in partnership with Stonewall, a charity that has been at the centre of a controversy over its scheme for “diversity champions” in government. Liz Truss, the women and equalities minister, has urged government departments to withdraw from it over concerns about its value for money.

Like other posters, I think this is simply an opportunistic attack on Carrie Johnson.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Now this is interesting. Look, Dominic Cummings, a man aware enough of the matter to have opinions on it, has no idea what "trans man" with the space means. He's parsed it using the rules of standard grammar and concluded it means natal male with a transgender identity.

We keep saying that this is an issue in surveys and that when you ask random members of the public whether they think "trans women" should use communal changing rooms with females, they think they are being asked if transmen should have to go in the men's!

Yep. Most people have little idea what the arcane language actually means, how the law stands, or what is actually going on.

has no idea what "trans man" with the space means. He's parsed it using the rules of standard grammar and concluded it means natal male with a transgender identity.

Or, he's just said "trans man" meaning "trans man" using normal English like a normal person.

I should have RTFT, shouldn't I?!

Carrie can fuck off. That's absurd behaviour. At least Scotland's reigning couple were voted for in some shape or form.

@nauticant

Are the rainbow alphabets getting cosy with Carrie?

I posted elsewhere:

"The Times is reporting on Carrie Johnson's intervention:

archive.fo/7xFSO

The LGBT+ Conservatives event is being held in partnership with Stonewall, a charity that has been at the centre of a controversy over its scheme for “diversity champions” in government. Liz Truss, the women and equalities minister, has urged government departments to withdraw from it over concerns about its value for money.

Thanks for the link, nauticant.

The prime minister’s wife, 33, was named guest of honour at the conference Pride reception in Manchester.

Guest of honour? Wonders never cease....

Elena Bunbury, chairwoman of the LGBT+ Conservatives, said that Johnson often attended the group’s events and was a proud defender of gay rights. “Carrie is a longstanding ally, and has always been a good sport to LGBT+ Conservatives,” she said. “She even judged our virtual lip-sync last conference. We’re thrilled she’ll be joining us in person this year in Manchester.”

A longstanding ally and the only example they could come up with was her judging a lip-syncing competition?!

Clowns. The lot of them.

@ArabellaScott

I should have RTFT, shouldn't I?!

Carrie can fuck off. That's absurd behaviour. At least Scotland's reigning couple were voted for in some shape or form.

Do SNP members vote for their CEO? Maybe someone voted for Pete Murrell somewhere at some point, but they're probably wanting their £600k back now aren't they?

But nobody ever voted for Carrie Antoinette, that's true.

@2319inprogress

I think he's just forgotten some punctuation "their own £ from Trans; men pretending to be women..."

And he seems to know more about what's happening in sport than Stonewall claim to. The end of that sentence is "men pretending to be women in MMA competitions". Probably referring to this:

www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/mma/transgender-fighter-wins-mma-debut-24960681

I dunno, isn't it logical that a man who is trans is a man? Despite current terminology? Just goes to show how artificial all these constructs are really. I think Germaine Greer would agree with his terminology here. Unfashionable, I know. This doesn't mean I hate trans people btw. I have every sympathy with people who want to live their own life in their own way and support individualism and non conformists. I just think that surgical alterations or thoughts do not change whether in fact a person is male or female, however much they might want this to be the case.

It’s why the terms f2m and m2f were so helpful in understanding what people meant (and obviously why they are now labelled as transphobic and are out of use).

Yup. Man exists, is a man, decides to transition, becomes a trans man. That's how language and the world actually works. Unless there's a political reason to distort it.

I feel sick agreeing with it. Also, he shows some ignorance of the debate referring to transmen when he means transwomen. As ever transmen getting ignored in this debate. Because they are women.

@nauticant

Like other posters, I think this is simply an opportunistic attack on Carrie Johnson.

yeah, I agree

if there's one thing Cummings has shown unequivocally, it's that his actions are totally motivated by personal relationships (and very little else I think)

I don't think he actually has any beliefs, so they're not motivated by anything

It's presumably a way to attack Carrie . I doubt he cares one way or the other. The Tories are imploding.
The tragedy is that Labour are so full of woo woo that they aren't capitalising on it.