Dominic Cummings tweet

[Mollyollydolly]

When things have reached the stage that you agree with Dominic Cummings. I'll never forgive Labour and Stonewall.

I don't think he actually has any beliefs, so they're not motivated by anything

Absolutely this. When challenged recently on whether Brexit was a good idea he basically said “I don’t know. Who cares?”

I wonder if Carrie, 'proud defender of gay rights' - and let's face it, who isn't, ffs, it's the normal thing to be - has got sucked into the 'T vortex' of Stonewall because she hasn't thought it through?

She could give Boris Johnson a real problem with her promotion of this ideological nonsense.

That clear blue water between the Tories and the other parties in respect of gender woo is narrowing ... And the PM's unelected wife is in the thick of it.

Any evidence she's involved in trying to get the LGBA stall banned? Because someone is, and someone is trying to stir up useful idiots. (Hence Dominic Cummings's very interesting tweet not-so-subtly pointing the finger at her.)

if there's one thing Cummings has shown unequivocally, it's that his actions are totally motivated by personal relationships

Doesn’t he identify as a “rationalist?” Or at least as being influenced by that lot?

That is totally 100% against all the rules of their Supreme Logic Man religion but then Supreme Logic Men are generally more blind than usual to their own irrationalities. Probably even the ones who’ve made a quasi-cult out of identifying and “correcting” their irrational tendencies.

@Mycatismadeofstringcheese

It’s why the terms f2m and m2f were so helpful in understanding what people meant (and obviously why they are now labelled as transphobic and are out of use).

Are we allowed to use them on here? I find them very helpful as a shorthand about what what 'transitioned' from.

@bellinisurge

It's presumably a way to attack Carrie . I doubt he cares one way or the other. The Tories are imploding. The tragedy is that Labour are so full of woo woo that they aren't capitalising on it.

If the Conservative party have any sense they will ditch the Johnsons and pick Truss or Badenoch for party leader.

I’ve just checked the mumsnet guidelines and it is TIM that is banned on here (trans identifying male). It doesn’t mention m2f or f2f.

I personally didn’t find TIM that useful a term as I always had to stop and think about what it meant.

It must have been somewhere else I saw people complaining about the use of m2f (probably Ravelry) as some people found it triggering that people saw them as trans and not as actual women.

people saw them as trans and not as actual women.

I don't really understand why that is a problem for trans women. What on earth is wrong with being trans?

Also, I thought the polite thing was to have a space between trans and women or trans and man?

It is a mine field with rules that shift and change all the time. It is most unsettling to find that I, a long term soft hearted leftie, agree with the likes of DC. Most unsettling.

In terms of Carrie being TWAW, she is friends with Nimco Ali I believe, who has been abused on line for saying that only females suffer from FGM.

This tweet from an unemployed unticked Dominic has 100 times more likes than the Stonewall original.

I agreed with him when he said something along the lines that there was something wrong with a system that allowed people like him to be so influential and I agree with him here (if he’s saying what he thinks he’s saying).

Also, I thought the polite thing was to have a space between trans and women or trans and man?

Anyone can be polite if they want, though I don’t see any politeness from gender ideologues typically. My issue is that the space implies that transwomen are just another kind of women. I don’t think males are women.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Now this is interesting. Look, Dominic Cummings, a man aware enough of the matter to have opinions on it, has no idea what "trans man" with the space means. He's parsed it using the rules of standard grammar and concluded it means natal male with a transgender identity.

We keep saying that this is an issue in surveys and that when you ask random members of the public whether they think "trans women" should use communal changing rooms with females, they think they are being asked if transmen should have to go in the men's!

It is the logical terminology though - men who are trans should be called trans men, as they are and remain male. Then I could get on board with TWAW!

When challenged recently on whether Brexit was a good idea he basically said “I don’t know. Who cares?”

He's someone who likes to shake things up, cause societal disruptions, and create vacuums, as being a way that opens up opportunities for him and people like him. It has much in common with the Silicon Valley mantra of "move fast and break things".

It's an amoral way of going about things which is why him being put into the heart of government was amusing, well at least in a sardonic sense.

@Keepitonthedownlow

In terms of Carrie being TWAW, she is friends with Nimco Ali I believe, who has been abused on line for saying that only females suffer from FGM.

Well then Carrie Johnson REALLY needs to think this through before she starts flailing in a vat of alphabet soup.

Interesting.

1. Like or dislike him, Cummings is a good political strategist. He will know that Stonewall don't bring in a lot of votes in red wall constituencies. (The traditional Labour heartlands which Labour mislaid when it became clear that they don't know who has a cervix, and a few other basic facts.)

1. His wife is senior in the Spectator, which has been very good on this subject for years.

1. Sarah Vine, Gove's former wife, has written a similar, but kinder column in the Mail on Sunday. Sort of "I like you Carrie, and your desire to attend the Tory LBQT+++ meeting comes from the right place, but Stonewall is not the organisation it used to be and that you might think it is."

My guess, is that there is going to be a "T" bunfight at the Tory conference as well. But rather than the Cervix script we saw at the Labour conference, we already had Sajid Javid and Liz Truss putting their heads above the parapet, along with Vine and Cummings. The likelihood is that this will play well with their voters, and that there will support for some pushback of the Stonewall overreach. Whatever happens, there will be some senior people saying some sensible things = Sunlight.

BJ was never popular with quite a lot of Tory members. Truss, Sunak and Javid will all be positioning themselves to take over in the event of a potential misstep on his part. (Which a dreadful winter of discontent could well bring.)

Needmoresleep

I think I agree with all of that. Love him or hate him, he isn't a stupid person. I wouldn't be surprised if he struggles with political correctness.

There’s also this tweet criticising Starmer. Can you imagine if anyone other than DC had used those words?

Right, when you think what women and gender critical men get kicked off Twitter for!

I feel faint. I can’t believe I’m on the same side as Cummings

Wow, he's not pulling any punches. I really think the Tories are begining to get it.
And yes I agreed with the OP, I will never forgive the left for betraying women and this has turned me around 189 degrees politically.
Im now a working class tory, who would have ever thought it.

This issue is like Christmas, birthdays and Easter all at once for the Tories, but what did the left exspect? women were just going to roll over and say yes, insult me some more? I think the left have been watching too much porn.

a stopped clock is right twice a day.

a stopped clock is right twice a day

This is meaningless.

First, even if you loathe hom most people would agree that Cummings is intelligent and takes time to reasearch voter intentions.

Second even if you disagree with someone on a whole range of things, there are bound to be some things you agree on.

The current approach used by some of the left of "othering" and blocking people is almost infantile. It would be far more interesting and constructive to challenge and debate.