Would you be put off sending your dc to a secondary school...

[thirdistheonewiththehairychest]

...if when you went to the open evening, lots of the teachers had their pronouns displayed on their classroom doors?

Yep.

Yes.

Yes

We're currently deciding between two schools for my DS. That would definitely go in the 'against' column.

Captured.

But so many other factors. And All Things Must Pass.

We know that boys do better in mixed sex schools and girls do not...succeeding in single sex girls schools. However very few still exist ( which benefits boys at the expense of girls) I think I would ignore the obvious nonsense but ask about how your child will benefit from the school concerned. However I might just lose it and start ranting, which might be interesting! ( not a good ploy generally!)

Interesting. It was a church school so I was (perhaps wrongly) quite surprised that the gender stuff was all so prominent.

Yep

Yes, and I’d politely let them know why I was choosing to send my child to a different school

Yes.

I'm a teacher and I wouldn't go along with it either.

Definitely.

Yes. Having said which, I am completely ostriching about the genderwang at the boy’s new secondary school- I know there’s an brilliant emphasis on D & I and I have a nasty feeling that this is likely to descend into the murky depths of TWAW before too long. Boy rolls his eyes in embarrassed horror when I start alerting him to mortifying truths like humans can’t change sex, but he’ll be a lot more mortified when sarah-now-Sam stands next to him when he’s stood in his pants.

And I simply refuse to accept that DD will be going to Big School in a couple of years…

I've just heard the phone-in where a woman says even gestures like a girl putting her hair up attracts sexual comments from boys, and that at school her daughter feels everything girls do, any everyday gesture, is being sexualised by boys. The whole pronoun thing feels a part of that constant air of sexualisation too - there is something very personal and dating-site about it, highlighting someone's private personal, intimate life and putting it to the fore, and that is intrusive at the best of times but particularly inappropriate in a teacher / pupil situation.

I know of a maths teacher in Didsbury calling themselves 'Mx' instead of 'Miss'.

I don't even know how you'd pronounce that.

@IvyTwines2

I've just heard the phone-in where a woman says even gestures like a girl putting her hair up attracts sexual comments from boys, and that at school her daughter feels everything girls do, any everyday gesture, is being sexualised by boys. The whole pronoun thing feels a part of that constant air of sexualisation too - there is something very personal and dating-site about it, highlighting someone's private personal, intimate life and putting it to the fore, and that is intrusive at the best of times but particularly inappropriate in a teacher / pupil situation.

Dd is in year 5 and bright - 'luckily' we are an 11 plus area and there are a few single sex girls schools around here. I almost can't countenance the idea she might not pass and have to go to mixed sexed school and be bombarded with these misogynistic micro aggressions. I just want to put it off for a few more years 🙁

I do wonder what happens if a male teacher specifies “she/her” pronouns.

Do the children have to call him “miss”? Do the other teachers have to lie to the children that he is a woman (because they will ask)?

@Snoozer11

I know of a maths teacher in Didsbury calling themselves 'Mx' instead of 'Miss'.

I don't even know how you'd pronounce that.

Well y = mx + c is pretty useful in geometry so maybe the teacher is identifying as an equation?

Yes. I would not send my children to a school like that.

Yes

Safe Schools Alliance have some resources that could be helpful for digging deeper during school selection.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/schools-resources-and-policies/

Yes. They’re going to be indoctrinating kids in gender woo, you don’t want your child exposed to that.

no - just like I wasn't when the signs said "Miss Miller" or "Mr Baker"

no - just like I wasn't when the signs said "Miss Miller" or "Mr Baker"

This is different though. The school is signalling that it believes Miss Miller might be male.

no - just like I wasn't when the signs said "Miss Miller" or "Mr Baker"

So you are totally OK with the breech of the yogyakarta principles, of potentially forcing trans people to cone out befire they are ready to?

It would put me off but I might be able to overlook it if the school was the only decent option

Yes it would definitely put me off.

My DC are little just now and I just keep hoping that genderwoo has all peaked and slid down the other side into common sense by the time they are old enough to be exposed to it.