Would you be put off sending your dc to a secondary school...

[thirdistheonewiththehairychest]

...if when you went to the open evening, lots of the teachers had their pronouns displayed on their classroom doors?

Why on earth would you feel ashamed to be female, just because some women have opinions you don't like? Ridiculous hyperbole.

No way would I allow my child unfettered exposure to this

Yep. I would definitely be asking questions.

Absolutely. We are in an area where the vast majority of pupils are from Muslim backgrounds and will not tolerate too much of this, but some secondaries are sneaking it in.

My choice was based on results, location and attitude to reality. This stuff is contagious as shit amongst girls, and yes I have seen it up close. I would absolutely consider home schooling if DD got caught up in it.

@ShrillSiren

Why on earth would you feel ashamed to be female, just because some women have opinions you don't like? Ridiculous hyperbole.

Because this thread is “feminism” - and of promoting women’s rights means stramrollering others and being obsessed with what is between peoples legs then I want no part of it. Fighting our own “oppression” by impressing others - rather like the kid who gets bullied at school turning bully to stop getting picked on,

*Oppressing not ‘impressing’. I should’ve checked before clicking post.

Nosquit you are the only person on this thread who keeps referring to ‘what is between peoples legs’ it looks like it’s you who is obsessed with that

Though is your DC a biological girl who is actually a boy or a biological boy who is actually a girl? Your post implied the latter but you called them your DD and implied she.
@Nosquit you seem to be confused. If someone is a "biological girl" then they are actually a girl. If someone is a "biological boy" then they are actually a boy. No amount of medical science can change that.

The poster's daughter clearly is unhappy with womanhood (who can blame her) but knows that she cannot change this. As a result, being constantly reminded of her sex by people going out of their way to demand her pronouns is difficult for her.

Ahh biology. Please also apply your arguments to eye colour, hair colour, makeup, ability etc etc. Cos ya know, we make changes to what we are biologically given all the time yet nobody bats an eyelid. Yet wipe betide someone wants to change a bit of biology that doesn’t suit others.

What is so bad about calling someone by a pronoun that makes them happy? You wouldn’t call friends by a given name or nickname that makes them unhappy would you? Pronouns are a name, and identity. Calling me a chair wouldn’t suddenly make me one but if I wanted to be one it would make me feel a lot happier. And I’m sorry in my mind it’s not a stupid argument. For the most part it hurts nobody. There are minorities who take advantage but they would find a way without it mark my words. Not using preferred pronouns is just an excuse to not have to actually fully listen to someone to not enter their world and try to empathise.

In an ideal world gender wouldn’t matter, I wish we had that world because to me it doesn’t, but the sad fact is it does. People get judged on certain Things based purely on their gender. I don’t understand at all why people would want to change gender but it’s not my place to do so, it’s my place not to judge and to do my utmost to make them as happy and comfortable as possible in my interactions with them.

And as for the gender dysphoric child - we can’t speak for them. Only they can.

@Nosquit

Ahh biology. Please also apply your arguments to eye colour, hair colour, makeup, ability etc etc. Cos ya know, we make changes to what we are biologically given all the time yet nobody bats an eyelid. Yet wipe betide someone wants to change a bit of biology that doesn’t suit others.

You aren't changing anything about your biology at all by doing any of that stuff.

You can have all of the hair dyes, face lifts and other cosmetic stuff you like done. It still won't stop old age in its tracks. It's all purely cosmetic, it won't actually make you younger. Aging still remains driven by a number of factors including genetics and lifestyle.

Likewise, you can have all of the hormone treatments and cosmetic surgery you like. You could even have surgery to your genitals to make them look vaguely like the genitals of the opposite sex. Again, cosmetic and won't actually turn you into a member of the opposite sex. It certainly won't make you any happier. And that's before considering the side effects like infertility and incontinence.

"What is so bad about calling someone by a pronoun that makes them happy? You wouldn’t call friends by a given name or nickname that makes them unhappy would you? Pronouns are a name, and identity. "

I understand your point but dd has a classmate that changes their pronouns every few weeks. And carries on all offended if you get it wrong.
At best that is disruptive, attention seeking immaturity. At worst that is a teenager that needs mental health support. What they don't need is "affirmation" for every notion in their head.

What is so bad about calling someone by a pronoun that makes them happy? You wouldn’t call friends by a given name or nickname that makes them unhappy would you?

Pronouns aren't names or titles. They are words we used as substitute for nouns. They are particularly useful when we don't know the name of the person to whom we refer. So how are we supposed to know that someone prefers to be known as "zie/zir"?

Like you said earlier nosquit calling you a chair doesn't make you a chair. Calling a boy a girl doesn't magically turn them into a girl. I would use the pronouns someone prefers (although they wouldn't know about it if I was talking about them in the third person) but I won't agree with the fallacy that they have magically changed sex.

Yes. It would pretty much be a hard no to sending dc there.

Pronouns are a name, and identity. "

No, they are not. They're a shortcut used to make language more fluent, for referring to a previously named person (or animal, or object) using various common categories.

I wouldn't like it, but it in itself would not be enough reason for me to not send a child there. Unless you were very certain your alternative school choice was not going to go down that road, you might find they introduce it in September or a bit later on. Or you might never know as you might not be in the school building again for a long while.

So yes, it would be on the minus list, but I'd check out other things as well.