Would you be put off sending your dc to a secondary school...

[thirdistheonewiththehairychest]

...if when you went to the open evening, lots of the teachers had their pronouns displayed on their classroom doors?

Yes.

I'd certainly be checking that the toilets are single sex and the school acknowledges why that's important.

It depends. What are your other options like, what are the policies of this and the other schools, what are their results, what is the area like - if the catchment area like ours has high levels of socially and economically disadvantaged children, the school has to put a lot of effort into supporting these kids and there might not be much money left in the budget for a broad extracurricular programme, there might be problems with behaviour, there might be less support for kids performing at the higher levels, there might be issues with the building and facilities being underresourced.

There are a lot of issues to consider. All things being equal, I would have a quiet chat with the staff member responsible for answering your questions and say something like I notice you display pronouns, I'm uncomfortable with that as it suggests to me this is mandatory in the school and I worry this doesn't leave much room for children who might not share your beliefs or who aren't ready to come out one way or the other. And then see what response cones back. If the child who might attend that school is a girl, I might raise the pronoun issue in terms of inequalities on the basis of sex and ask a few questions about how the school treats girls and meets the specific needs they have because of their sex.

At worst, you'll have a school crossed off your list, at best you've asked questions they may not have had to think about before and the more parents ask these questions, the more they might reconsider elevating the needs of one group of children above those of all others.

No - I would be happy to send my child there. I think it shows respect and commitment to people's pronouns.

Yes. My eldest is somewhat non conforming. No way I'd risk him in a school where most of the staff think stereotypes are more important than biological sex.

@SheldontheWonderSchlong

I'd certainly be checking that the toilets are single sex and the school acknowledges why that's important.

The toilets were single sex but were very open to the corridors. i.e. no door to seperate the sink area off from the main thoroughfare. Not much privacy, although I wonder if theis might be a way that school minimise opportunities for bullying...?

Yes toilets are like that now to minimise bullying.

It would definitely put me off. Worries me too, as we were sort of counting on our local church school to not be buying into all this stuff.

@thirdistheonewiththehairychest

Interesting. It was a church school so I was (perhaps wrongly) quite surprised that the gender stuff was all so prominent.

A lot of people are caught in the compassion trap that somehow blinds them to the needs of women and girls and the consequential harms.

A good phrase that jumped out at me from this piece:

“Trans women are women” is a mantra; it’s not a basis for policy

thecritic.co.uk/a-step-change-in-sports-policy/

Oh god yes

No. i like a school that advicates an open mind and tolerance.

No. i like a school that advicates an open mind and tolerance

What's open minded and tolerant about policies which actively discriminate and place girls in harms way?

There are 8 other protected characteristics. Some of which are incompatible with gender ideology.

And there is nothing open minded abiut agreeing with a chikd that liking dancing makes him a girl.

Yes it would put me off as it would make me think that you they haven't looked into it and can't tell the difference between an ideology being pushed with no scientific backing and actual facts.

Oh come on @Whatwouldscullydo! Don't you remember that heartwarming film Billy Elliot? About how a young girl escaped working class drudgery through her love of ballet dancing? I mean, she might possibly have been assigned male at birth because the midwife made a mistake, but she liked ballet so was clearly a girl.

No, I'd not send my child there. Adults in their lives supporting what I think is a deeply damaging ideology is not something I want in my kids lives.

I'm not all that surprised it's a church school, the CofE these days tends to just accept whatever the progressive consensus is without much question.

Yes.

Yes
At the very least it shows a lack of critical thinking. At worse that’s a gender woo captured school.

Yes.

No, I’d be happy that schools are becoming much safer places for LGBT+ teens than they were when I was younger

I'm not all that surprised it's a church school, the CofE these days tends to just accept whatever the progressive consensus is without much question.
Yes, the “progressive consensus” definitely involves barring people from working when they marry someone of the same sex, e.g. Jeremy Pemberton. FFS at least google what you’re talking about before you spout such rubbish.

@MrsMiddleMother

No - I would be happy to send my child there. I think it shows respect and commitment to people's pronouns.

But no respect to women, social cohesion, or reality.

And 'commitment to people's pronouns' is an odd idea. How can you be committed to something that is nebulous and liable to change at any minute? Do you mean 'commitment to honouring people's pronouns'?

I wouldn't send my daughter there.

She's going to a faith school. It's the only way of guaranteeing she won't be fed gender nonsense.

@Siepie

No, I’d be happy that schools are becoming much safer places for LGBT+ teens than they were when I was younger

I'm not all that surprised it's a church school, the CofE these days tends to just accept whatever the progressive consensus is without much question.
Yes, the “progressive consensus” definitely involves barring people from working when they marry someone of the same sex, e.g. Jeremy Pemberton. FFS at least google what you’re talking about before you spout such rubbish.

The 'progressive consensus' is consistently 'transing away the gay', telling lesbians they shouldn't use the word, insisting homosexuals should accept people of the opposite sex in their 'dating pool' and considering ways to counter the 'cotton ceiling' (ie erode the boundaries of women's sexual consent).

It is inherently homophobic and damaging in particular to young lesbians.

On another side note, I really hate the word 'spout' used to mean 'say'. It's another dehumanising slur that is so frequently used to describe the views of people someone disagrees with. Try arguing the point, without insulting the person. You may get further in life.

Aside from all other things which mean I wouldnt consider it, I'd be quite worried about remembering potentially 600+ pronouns for them all staff and students and then when it gets to doubling and tripling pronouns ( probably by now quadrupling them)

Can you imagine any WhatsApp conversations
So the child with red hair who identifies as they/demi/ace who is in the class run by the teacher fae/faer/faeself.
Of course if you dont use the pronouns religiously you will forget and use the boy with red hair in miss Smith's class.

Yes

Yes