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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LGB Alliance welcome to Tory conference, but you wouldn't know it from the reporting.

44 replies

Datun · 30/09/2021 15:51

It looks like the LGB alliance have been awarded a stand/stall at the Tory party conference. The Tories appear to be putting their money where their mouth is in wanting to embrace diversity of opinion and plurality of viewpoints. As such there are also other stalls representing LGBT organisations.

mobile.twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1443303112568152069?s=21

www.itv.com/news/2021-09-29/row-over-lgb-alliance-stand-at-conservative-party-conference

So why does the ITV reporting look somewhat biased to me?

I'm sure LGB alliance could do with some support, in the light of that woeful reporting.

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EdgeOfACoin · 30/09/2021 17:59

The former Head of Women at LGBT+ Conservatives, Jessica Zbinden-Webster, told ITV News: "It is disappointing to learn that the LGB Alliance has been offered a prominent stand at the 2021 Conservative Party Conference.

"In my view - a view many other cisgender women share - there is no LGB without the T.

Jessica sounds like she's a great representative for women Hmm

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 30/09/2021 18:31

I reject cisgender - even quoting her words:

"In my view - a view many other cisgender women share - there is no LGB without the T.

What does she make of lesbian erasure? And the growing apprehensions of gay men and lesbians that shortly there will be no non-gender conforming young people who develop into LGB adults, just non-gender conforming children who have been modified into gender conforming adults?

toomanytrees · 30/09/2021 18:39

Re: Jessica Zbinden-Webster.

As she describes herself as a "cisgender woman", why does it concern her at all? How patronizing of her!

AssassinatedBeauty · 30/09/2021 18:44

What on earth does that pointless sound bite mean?? Of course LGB people exist without reference to transgender people. LGB is about sexuality. T is about beliefs and identity. They don't have the same issues or the same challenges, necessarily. It's forced teaming.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 30/09/2021 18:44

The LGB managed perfectly well without the T untl 2015. They are in direct conflict.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 30/09/2021 18:46

there are no gay people without people who identify as members of the opposite sex?

huh?

WTAF is that woman talking about?

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 30/09/2021 18:47

As she describes herself as a "cisgender woman", why does it concern her at all? How patronizing of her!

Other matters aside, bisexual, lesbian and gay adults have been informed that they are cisgender and labelled as such (not necessarily with their consent).

Justme56 · 30/09/2021 18:47

I have been watching it pan out on twitter. The usual suspects and the usual 'the LGBA are a hate group'. They have now turned on the LGBTCons with reports of death threats being sent. Turning on their own - what a lovely bunch of people the TRA's are. However, on the plus side whenever LGBA tend to trend I always watch their twitter followers increase.

ScribblingPixie · 30/09/2021 18:54

However, on the plus side whenever LGBA tend to trend I always watch their twitter followers increase.
That's really interesting, Justme56.

FurzeMinister · 30/09/2021 18:57

@EdgeOfACoin

The former Head of Women at LGBT+ Conservatives, Jessica Zbinden-Webster, told ITV News: "It is disappointing to learn that the LGB Alliance has been offered a prominent stand at the 2021 Conservative Party Conference.

"In my view - a view many other cisgender women share - there is no LGB without the T.

Jessica sounds like she's a great representative for women Hmm

But there are plenty of groups that represent and advocate for trans people and trans rights and trans concerns primarily or only, without centering the L, G, B, or anybody else. Which of course is fine and absolutely their right to do.

Why the double standard, hmmmmm, Jessica? Who exactly is it that ISN'T allowed to organise, and why?

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 30/09/2021 19:02

Matt Lucas tweeting today that LGBA is an anti-trans group.

Glinner to Matt Lucas:

Say their names. Say their names and explain why a group set up to protect the interests of people who are same-sex-attracted is anti-trans. Or point out anything they have said or done that is anti-trans. If you can’t do that, you owe Kate, Bev Allison, Malcolm Clark, and every member of LGB Alliance an apology.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/say-their-names

Lordamighty · 30/09/2021 19:05

I’ve always thought very little of Matt Lucas & that tweet confirms my dislike even more. He isn’t even funny & is ruining the Bake Off for me.

Datun · 30/09/2021 19:08

"In my view - a view many other cisgender women share - there is no LGB without the T.

Well too bad, the Tory party has given the LGBA a stall.

At least some people in the party agree with giving same-sex attracted people a voice.

Do they even hear how homophobic they are??

Saying you can't be LGB without affiliating with the T sounds like coercion to me. Transgender advocates need LGB rights.

And I don't know about anyone else, but all these statements from stonewall and mermaids now sound increasingly hollow. They've got absolutely nothing but coercion.

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BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 30/09/2021 19:10

forced teaming innit?

plain as the nose on your face

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 30/09/2021 19:11

no offence Datun

littlbrowndog · 30/09/2021 19:12

Yeah does as we say otherwise you are transphobic

Why does the T have to be in everything

Oh yeah and Matt Lucas ruining bake off for me as well

Comedian 🤷‍♀️

Datun · 30/09/2021 19:15

Now Carrie Johnson is the guest of honour for LGBT Conservatives. Is this Boris nailing his colours to the mast? Will she also be speaking to LGB alliance at the Tory conference?

mobile.twitter.com/LGBTCons/status/1443264336005419009?s=19&fbclid=IwAR2-5n7JpwsaHJqXXstoSNiKpbMN7ekL8i9pEY0zvZ8KWeiG1iYV1DDazjg

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Datun · 30/09/2021 19:37

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

no offence Datun
🤣
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cheeseismydownfall · 30/09/2021 20:01

In my view - a view many other animal lovers share - there are no cats without dogs.

Right?

Jaysmith71 · 30/09/2021 20:06

@cheeseismydownfall

In my view - a view many other animal lovers share - there are no cats without dogs.

Right?

And the exclusionary policies of the Ciscats Protection League mean transcats are left starving on the street, or not allowed on the sofa which is much the same thing.
littlbrowndog · 30/09/2021 20:11

Or wailing piteously in the hall while toying with a cis mouse

toomanytrees · 30/09/2021 20:26

Thanks, EmbarrassingAdmissions, I should have thought of that.

Coatandhat · 30/09/2021 20:39

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg When I hear "No LGB without the T", it makes me think of the Rhyme as Reason Effect - that people are more likely to believe a statement that rhymes, as opposed to "No gay people without people who identify as members of the opposite sex". Their snappy slogan is certainly easier to remember but not true. It's like an abusive relationship - "You are not going to leave me!" Angry

Jaysmith71 · 30/09/2021 20:47

My TV is an LG.

Hope Matt Lucan doesn't find out.

yourhairiswinterfire · 30/09/2021 20:57

@Jaysmith71

My TV is an LG.

Hope Matt Lucan doesn't find out.

Yeah, but is your broadband BT?