More than one “woman” a week prosecuted for rape?!?!

[Cwenthryth]

I just saw this on Twitter

twitter.com/profalices/status/1442415750497509380?s=21

Between 2012 and 2018, 436 individuals prosecuted for rape in England and Wales were recorded as women.
www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/committees/current-and-previous-committees/session-6-citizen-participation-and-public-petitions-committee/correspondence/2021/pe1876_h-professor-alice-sullivan-submission-of-27-august-2021

I’m shocked at this statistic. Yes, a small proportion of these may be women charged with rape by joint enterprise. Prof Sullivan posted on Twitter she has requested to separate out those cases. But, as under the law in England and Wales, rape is a crime committed with a penis….. so these (alleged) rapists are “bodies with penises” being recorded as women in crime stats. So transwomen, right? So what does this mean….436 (alleged) transwomen rapists in 6 years? That is more than one a week. In England & Wales.

Have I misunderstood that? I’m really shocked.

@robinr66

Frankly, I think I've been pretty gentle with you - far more gentle than you have any right to expect, given your views.

Try saying some of this stuff to people in real life. You'll quickly learn a) what value society places on people like you and b) what real consequences are.

Is that so?

@Reptar

I defy you to find a statement that threatening made by the women of this board. It didn't take long for you to lose your temper with the uppity women and out yourself.

Threatening? What are you on about??

The point I was trying to make to the person I said that you (someone who has repeatedly made transphobic comments and then repeatedly whined about how unfair and horrible it is that I called her a transphobe) is that if you met me in real life, I'd say exactly the same thing to you, in the same way. I have done and will do.

But someone like that OP hides their prejudices and only exposes them when doing so is free of consequence. They're cowards. They'd never dare to say these views out loud. That's my point. I wasn't being "menacing" or "threatening" . FFS...

That said, the general tone here and the responses are shameful. This is a discussion about prejudice and hatred and yet the responses have (with some exceptions) been on the lines of "ha ha ha, clap for unicorns, isn't this funny, squirrels, trans women aren't women and they only pretend to be to rape women, ha ha ha, clap for some more unicorns, this is hilarious".

This seems like such a joke to you all. You all seem to find this so funny.

Which, I suppose, isn't unexpected. Anyone who frequents a hate filled echo chamber like this generally stops seeing others as people. They dehumanise them.

But you're doing nothing but shaming and embarrassing yourselves. The fact that you all pat each other on the back whenever someone opens up about their hatred of trans people doesn't change that.

Ive pretty much only said receipts or it didn’t happen so im fairly sure im consequence free

I reckon all the clapping has a consequence

(Having to stay up with dd til 12.30am and thats really not a good time for me…i need entertaining)

@robinr66

Well, you're not looking very hard. From the post immediately above yours:

So are you saying that transgender women are pretending to be women?

Yes!

Literally one post up.

Pretending, identifying, presenting, expressing....

Whilst you don't like those words they are a description of reality.

I'm surprised you are so shocked that people don't actually consider transgender identity makes a difference to the sex of a human. It's a ubiquitous understanding in the real world.

You all seem to find this so funny

This is not amusing in the slightest

You’ve lied throughout the thread, people are reacting to you…you have caused this

You should be ashamed

But i bet you aren’t

Arguments are a hobby for some people and winning is more important than being right. Robin is amongst this group. Do the rest of us really have the time to waste?

@timeisnotaline

a) what value society places on people like you Charming, but hits the nail on the head. Have you looked again for some of the many discussions on violence and systemic neglect of women? We already know what value society places on us. There’s a good thread currently for this about the frequent complete absence of care and concern for women who’ve just given birth in the nhs. It’s not just male violence against women, it’s systemic neglect and dismissal and you’re campaigning to extend that harm.

Who said she's a woman? Could equally be a man. Makes no difference to my point, which was about the value that society in 2021 places on those with hatred and prejudice in their hearts - none.

And you are still doing it

Not one single person has said they hate transpeople

Not one

Do the rest of us really have the time to waste?

Til 12.30…yes

they only pretend to be to rape women

You are the only poster on this thread to say this @robinr66

Why do you misrepresent what is being said?

Explain why?

When someone can literally post "trans women aren't women" over and over again and then outright deny that they've done that, you're clearly not operating in the sphere of sanity

No one has denied this…

But they are shared.

Many many many people TW are NOT women.

I dont believe in God is that view repellent?
To me religion is a belief system that others are free to buy in to the same way I am free not to.
The mantra TWAW is in my view another belief I do not share.

But someone like that OP hides their prejudices and only exposes them when doing so is free of consequence. They're cowards. They'd never dare to say these views out loud.

I'm perfectly happy to say out loud that the MOJ should not be allowing male rapists to use identity to get into female prisons. I am also perfectly happy to say out loud that humans remain the sex they were born irrespective of identity and that the Equality Act exemptions also say that there are circumstances where identity can be disregarded.

I am unconcerned that you or anyone else considers this prejudice as it's not, it's a legal right, a normal and reasonable position and is important to women.

So your threats of consequences just come across as nasty in that context.

Your insistence on imposing your beliefs on me is out of order.

David Duke said he didn't hate black people. Believe him, do you?

Hated and prejudice these days isn't burning crosses or wearing swastika shirts. It's posting about how trans women are only pretending to be women so they can rape men. It's exactly the same with white nationalism. It's a big effort to put a socially acceptable veneer on prejudice.

its posting about how trans women are only pretending to be women so they can rape men

And no one has said this either

@Wildfart

But someone like that OP hides their prejudices and only exposes them when doing so is free of consequence. They're cowards. They'd never dare to say these views out loud.

I'm perfectly happy to say out loud that the MOJ should not be allowing male rapists to use identity to get into female prisons. I am also perfectly happy to say out loud that humans remain the sex they were born irrespective of identity and that the Equality Act exemptions also say that there are circumstances where identity can be disregarded.

I am unconcerned that you or anyone else considers this prejudice as it's not, it's a legal right, a normal and reasonable position and is important to women.

So your threats of consequences just come across as nasty in that context.

Your insistence on imposing your beliefs on me is out of order.

Firstly, for the avoidance of any issues, I'm not threatening anyone! For heaven's sake.

I'd delete the post if I could, given that it's deliberately being misinterpreted but I explained what I meant elsewhere.

Secondly, I wasn't talking about you.

Ive no idea who david duke is

Off to bed now…dd sitting up duty is over

When someone can literally post "trans women aren't women" over and over again and then outright deny that they've done that, you're clearly not operating in the sphere of sanity.

Not denying that. Transwomen are not women. It's an identity that men reassign to. Women are unable to be transwomen.

Quite straightforward.
Not particularly shocking. Prosecco is vastly overrated and if you get all your opinions from mimmybirthingparent, well it's no wonder that you are so confused.

Secondly, I wasn't talking about you

This is why you need to be clearer

Who are you talking about

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

its posting about how trans women are only pretending to be women so they can rape men

And no one has said this either

You are the only poster doing this.

We are objecting to male criminals claiming a female Identity. Do you support that option?

@robinr66

Frankly, I think I've been pretty gentle with you - far more gentle than you have any right to expect, given your views.

Try saying some of this stuff to people in real life. You'll quickly learn a) what value society places on people like you and b) what real consequences are.

Are you now denying that this is a threat? It certainly sounds threatening.

It's a real shame for you that this isn't Twitter. There's no deleting or editing posts here. If you make a threat (which you did), it stands for all to see.

you know you're called Prosecco Stormfront, right? That's your nickname

Ah... the one coined by the 'Cis' woman who spectacularly unsuccessfully took a transwoman to court for alleged transphobia?

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

its posting about how trans women are only pretending to be women so they can rape men

And no one has said this either

Dude, I don't get this. You do understand that we can all see the thread, right? You can't hide what was said. Just one example, on literally the first page of this thread, taking the roughly four seconds to find. I can't link to it for it some reason but this is the text and its on page 1:

20Babdoc

We can expect this to increase, as soon as rapists realise they only have to claim a trans identity in order to be locked up in a women’s prison, with plentiful access to vulnerable and traumatised potential further victims.
What rapist could resist the opportunity to force women to shower naked with them, or be locked in a cell with them overnight?
The UK justice system is subjecting women to conditions forbidden under the Geneva Convention for prisoners of war.
And idiot politicians are cheerleading it

A literal statement that men are pretending to be women so they can get into women's prisons to rape women.

And, before you try and lawyer this by saying "ah ha, it doesn't mention, trans women so it doesn't count! Unicorn claps!!", the thread has made it perfectly clear that you don't regard trans women as women. You regard them as men. So you don't make a distinction.