The lancet on periods “bodies with vaginas”

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twitter.com/thelancet/status/1441372277786951681?s=21

For fucks fucking sake!!! Incidentally heard the prostate cancer ad about half an hour ago “what a creature is a man” funny how men are not bodies with penises innit

""In Canada, yes. It's known as gender-affirming care to insist that a gynaecologist examines the cervix that isn't there

And, yes to the latter enquiry about support for san pro""

This SURELY can't be true? If it is, what a phenomenal waste of the health care system's time and resources. This really IS the Emperors New Clothes scenario isn't it?
If a mental health patient insisted they had antenna and were half alien, would they be pandered to and declared as the first half human half alien hybrid, or would they be given prompt mental health treatment? How is this ANY different?
What a fucking joke.
So what, in this fucking ridiculous scenario, does the gynaecologist actually do? Open up the male penis with a speculum, examine and scrape the cervix that doesn't exist, send the non existent cells off for histopathology? Or in post op TW, hunt for a pretend cervix?
The world really has lost the plot.

If there really ARE TW who do this kind of thing, they ought to be fucking ashamed of themselves.

Please tell me this is a joke.

Please tell me this is a joke.

It isn't a joke. I have lost track of whether Yaniv is currently suing a gynaecologist. Yaniv has had a name change and there's a complication relating to not being able to bring a human rights action while the fines relating to previous failed cases are unpaid etc.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7752769/Transgender-activist-sued-salon-refusing-wax-complains-gynecologist-wont-her.html

Yaniv had previously made quite some headway using 'gender affirming care' as a legal bludgeon until it became apparent even to the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal that Yaniv's actions were largely against immigrant women and Yaniv's social media provided ample evidence of prejudicial comments about the community.

I was slightly taken astounded to read on Canada's Cancer Association's website that that having had a 'neo-cervix' made can (depending on several factors) make it possible for a transwoman to experience cervical cancer.

cancer.ca/en/cancer-information/find-cancer-early/screening-in-lgbtq-communities/as-a-trans-woman-do-i-need-to-get-screened-for-cervical-cancer

However, Jo's Trust say the following -

'No, trans women do not have a cervix so do not need cervical screening.

If you have had gender confirmation surgery to create a neo-cervix, you may have read that you do need cervical screening. However, there is no evidence that suggests cervical screening would benefit you if you have a neo-cervix.'

It's not clear if there is any evidence as the basis of the Canada Cancer Association statement or whether this is an example of reality being bent to fit the 'gender affirming' model.

Sorry to clarify - for a transwoman to experience cancer in the tissue and materials used to make their neo cervix.

I should clarify that Yaniv wanted this 'gender affirming care' from a gynaecologist before Yaniv allegedly had the surgical intervention that might have created the opening (which, if it happened, has allegedly failed).

I would also like to see some evidence for the 300 people smear thing.

Google has nothing I could find.

I don't like accepting things that sound that bizarre without some kind of evidence.

I mean weird things happen all the time so could be true but. I'll assume not and happy to have my mind changed.

Thanks AnnieSnap and EmbarrassingAdmissions
Yes, I just fancied leaving a copy or two lying around and then innocently drawing attention to it at coffee break or whatever.
No doubt our lovely surgeons already subscribe.

I'd love to have the nerve to post a screenshot to the Women's Group on the hospital intranet Workplace (Facebook lookalike which of course has a few male members) for comment but I don't dare.

@FannyCann

Is it possible to purchase individual copies of the Lancet? I'd love to buy a couple and leave them lying around at work. We have some fabulous female consultant surgeons at my hospital and not only am I sure they would never refer to their female patients as bodies with vaginas, I'm also sure they'd be fuming if their male colleagues did so.

Beg borrow steal? Don't give money to the fuckers!

You could print off the cover which is on their tweet if you have a staff room with notice board?

Haha. Good idea Gerbil. So happens there is a notice board...

@Waitwhat23

Sorry to clarify - for a transwoman to experience cancer in the tissue and materials used to make their neo cervix.

Yes- they need to have checks to ensure there aren't any issues with the orifice that's been created. I doubt they bother creating a cervix shaped thing? I mean why would you. You can't see it rarely feel it. It's use is to have way to stop nasties getting in but also let certain things in/ out.

But yes do need exams internally prob swabs etc.

But it shouldn't be called a smear (or cervical screening) because that's not what it is.

I highly doubt that medical people are performing pretend smears on intact males. Again would want to see proper evidence rather than anecdote.

I mean who the fuck knows. But that sort of thing I like something solid to back it up.

Yaniv the situation was and is different to that. And it is an utter nightmare of a shitshow with various Canadian authorities seemingly unwilling to address the behaviour/ crimes. Due I assume to status/ notoriety/ that would have to go to women's prison and is a well known unstable, manipulative, lying individual who appears to have clear MH issues and sexually preys on women and teen girls. Oh and is extremely racist.

@FannyCann

Haha. Good idea Gerbil. So happens there is a notice board...

That sounds like a plan then

It really gets me that they go with "bodies with vaginas."

Why not "bodies with clitorises," "bodies with cervixes," "bodies with uteruses," "bodies with ovaries," "bodies with vulvas," "bodies with ova," or "bodies with Fallopian tubes"?

Vaginas are what MEN reduce us to, and I don't find it a funny coincidence when I see us reduced to vaginas by the woke.

I have just sent this from my NHS work email:

I am working with patients with additional needs. I have been a Lancet reader, on and off, for most of my career, and was very grateful when you decided to make all your Covid content free to access, because this was hugely helpful for me in planning our Covid service 18 months ago. The Lancet has been a helpful, valued, and respected source to me for at least 20 years.

I have spent my whole career trying to improve access for the marginalised and vulnerable patients our team serves. I have consistently corrected colleagues who talk about 'the Downs patient' to 'Jane, who has Downs'. I have worked hard to ensure that how I speak about my patients is respectful and acknowledges their inherent dignity and humanity. Language, and how we talk about our patients, is important, because it impacts on how we think about them, and thus how we care for them.

I was therefore horrified to see your front page refer to women as "Bodies with Vaginas". This is dehumanising. It is sexualising. It is deeply offensive. It identifies women as animated cunts, men, for the service of.

I am a surgeon. I am a clinician. I am a teacher. I am a sister. I am an aunt. I am a woman. Yes, I have a vagina, but I am much, much more than simply a posessor of one.

Please do not refer to me as such again.

I am literally sat here shaking, I am so appalled by this.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-lancet-and-the-problem-with-women With some amusement, Steerpike tackles the issue

How do we get back from this? These people are zealots

Brilliant @Motorina

I have found using my nhs email for certain letters seems to be more effective than using my regular and this is one such instance. I am composing mine.

Bravo @Motorina
Powerful words. I don't work in healthcare tho have friends who do. I wonder if I can suggest they do similar

Fantastic email Motorina!

Fabulous email Motorina!

Thank you. I’m genuinely surprised how much this has upset me.

I absolutely support the right of trans people to be treated with dignity and respect, including living the life, name and gender role that they wish. But I’m damned if I’ll be addressed as a “body with genitals” by professional colleagues.

Appalling as it is to have major institutions going mask off about dehumanising women this has certainly got people's attention. Same with the ACLU and their bastardising of RBG's words.

It's horrible but at least it might be very clear now to those who were fence sitting or sticking their fingers in ears just how dangerous and damaging this ideology is.

@Motorina

Thank you. I’m genuinely surprised how much this has upset me.

I absolutely support the right of trans people to be treated with dignity and respect, including living the life, name and gender role that they wish. But I’m damned if I’ll be addressed as a “body with genitals” by professional colleagues.

Nail on head for me too. Why does being trans inclusive have to be at the expense of biologically female women?

Does anyone know if there is a petition to challenge this? I am not a slab of meat for God's sake....

and why has it moved from spaces to every single word about women and with such ferocity and no one seems to be acknowledging the damage. Will the Lancet apologise? or are we just a pile of unworthy bigots

Why does being trans inclusive have to be at the expense of biologically female women?

Because the whole premise is built on something which is untrue. In order to uphold the first untruth further untruths have to be told and perpetuated to protect the first one. Thus it snowballs and this is where we end up.

We've seen similar things happen before in history. Lysenkoism is a good example.