Scotland to go ahead with self-ID? In the name of the wee man...

[KittenKong]

I saw a tweet saying that this is so - can’t see anything else though.

Tell me it’s not true...

And this women gets a ministerial post on 36 fucking votes

Gawd. Off to do a bit off gaming. Am a wee bit cross but get banned again

I'm in England but I genuinely don't understand why so many Scots want independence under the SNP. Its attitude towards women is outrageous. Its authoritarianism everywhere else is frightening. If one of those things didn't put me off, the other would.

@littlbrowndog

Gawd. Off to do a bit off gaming. Am a wee bit cross but get banned again

Radio 1 today

There are no women in the top 300 gamers
The highest is at about 336
But the highest born female gamer is ranked below 600

The ( female ) interviewed seemed to say ) 10 second clip ) that sexual disrespect was behind much of the discrepancy .. kind of off putting

Which isn't affecting the trans individual it seems

How? So that’s their parents and grandparents, aunts and uncles, siblings, their partners and pals.

Lorna Slater only got 13.1% of the vote in her own constituency i.e. people who have had dealings with her, received election material etc.

She is also co - leader of the Greens. A party which got 8 seats.

So Ch4 news coverage of this - didn’t mention it al all. Gits...

As women weren't deemed worthy of legal protection against hate given to others she couldn't take that off us. Maybe her plan is not to remove women's legal protection but to give the rest of society more to firmly secure our second class status

@EdgeOfACoin

I'm in England but I genuinely don't understand why so many Scots want independence under the SNP. Its attitude towards women is outrageous. Its authoritarianism everywhere else is frightening. If one of those things didn't put me off, the other would.

Frankly I don’t want independence under any political party, that’s my view. I would say about 40% of the women I have spoken say the same, and the rest are pro independence or undecided. Many , many former SNP supporters are angry, disappointed and feel played by Sturgeon and her crew, and rightly feel that women’s rights are far more important than independence.

I think if there's a second Independence referendum, the pro-indy parties are going to get a nasty shock. I voted yes in 2014. Campaigned and debated. No fucking way would I say yes now.

My entire family has resigned their membership of the SNP in protest at this crap. We're not the only ones by any means.

@MiladyBerserko

Where are the Consultation responses Nicola?

Your government promised that they would be published, but instead have merely 'summarised' the private responses from individual women and attempted to put a spin on the results, citing self declared 'feminists' who are happy to give away the rights of women to males.

I would bet my left ear that the vast majority of responses SHOW clearly that women oppose this legislation and that it will have serious detrimental effect on their public life. THIS is why they are not being published.

Many women, myself included, testified their trauma and declared themselves willing to have their testimonies published, so fearful were we about the impact of self ID on our own and other women's lives. You have buried these testimonies. Furthermore, personal details are now known to the very many trans rights activists in your administration, many of whom frequently call women like us bigots on Twitter etc. I knew that was a risk, but I took the risk because the responses were to be published. This was a lie.

I will be investigating if this can be legally challenged.

They are beneath contempt Milady, I have no idea how that absolute shower of mendacious fuckers can sleep at night

@Waitwhat23

Someone on another thread said that they had suspicions that money and power is being traded in some way. Two years ago, I would have considered that a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Now? I'm not so sure.

There's definitely something going on behind the scenes. The "youth vote" isn't that large a percentage of the population and they don't have much money to help prop up political parties. I just hope whatever it is comes out in full, and in mainstream media before this bill becomes law. There is a lot of dodgy stuff going on in the SNP which may or may not be related.

I wrote to all MSPs when the GRA was first mooted. Not one single one replied

I suspect that emails are vetted before they reach MSPs.

I am trying to stay positive and hope that the tide is turning and we just need to keep raising awareness as I am sure that once the general public really understand what this means they will be horrified.

@Selkiesarereal

I am trying to stay positive and hope that the tide is turning and we just need to keep raising awareness as I am sure that once the general public really understand what this means they will be horrified.

Join a women’s group in your area, we are everywhere, get cards and stickers, leave them everywhere, tell everyone who will listen; taxi drivers are great, every one I’ve spoken to are horrified about what’s going on up here.

Mhairi Hunter in the Times, sigh:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/997a8b0a-1003-11ec-86b8-9dcf48a101ba?shareToken=944c5d51d9cb2d3579046ac055735023

suggesting that changing the legislation will have a negative impact on women

Everytime a TRA uses the word 'women', we have to remember that they do not necessarily use it in the same sense that we do. In this case definitely not.

Yep! The SNP definition of women includes anyone who identifies as a woman so it also includes men

They’ll keep pushing this line in the hope no one will notice but we see you….

Mentioned here as well in the summary of policies:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/63d09f4e-1008-11ec-86b8-9dcf48a101ba?shareToken=60bbf5ad6bcd9f99f743140ebec5a372

People are fully entitled to raise any concerns they have about GRA reform. However, the way concerns are raised matters. Presenting a minority group as representing a threat to the majority is harmful.

Male people are not a minority group Mhairi.

This article is the very definition of wilful propaganda with the aim of achieving one narrow outcome. It's 'this never happens writ large'.

However, in the UK this reform is particularly contentious. I believe that some opposition comes from a belief that trans identities are bogus. But the expert view is that trans and non-binary identities are real.

It reminds me of the many experts cited assuring the public that Iraq most definitely did have WMD.

Funny how they never provide names or references for their "experts"

M McGee, Village Idiot, Auchtwenmule...

The First Minister said she understood some people had “sincerely held concerns”, and insisted the changes would not remove any legal protections women currently had.

If “women” has no clear definition other than “how someone feels about themselves” how can they possibly have any protections?
It means literally anyone can be a woman and access these spaces.

But the expert view is that trans and non-binary identities are real

what does that even mean?

OK, a trans identity can be 'real' but that does not mean that biologicial sex can be altered.

It also does not mean behaviour associated with that sex is likely to change.

Sexual violence is real and in the vast majority of cases it is inflicted by the male sex -whatever their identity - onto the female.

An identity isn’t real though. It is how you feel a little yourself, other wise you would be asked ‘do you have a disability’ rather than ‘do you identify as having a disability’. Not the same thing.

I may describe myself as a cat, but I am a human.