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Scotland to go ahead with self-ID? In the name of the wee man...

113 replies

KittenKong · 07/09/2021 15:23

I saw a tweet saying that this is so - can’t see anything else though.

Tell me it’s not true...

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Wandawide · 07/09/2021 18:28

Bad Joke coming:-
Well at least the English will be able to see how it works out. Scotland becomes a workshop for practical Woke.

CharlieParley · 07/09/2021 18:33

The First Minister said she understood some people had “sincerely held concerns”, and insisted the changes would not remove any legal protections women currently had.

Interesting to note that "some people" has risen from around a third of all submissions to the first consultation to just under half this time (and that was many more responses).

And "some people" also includes the vast majority of women's groups who opposed the proposed changes to the GRA.

As for the changes not removing protections, even trans rights campaigners believe it would (namely those like Law Professor Alex Sharpe who argued that males with a GRC cannot be excluded from female-only spaces for any reason).

And the FM's feeble claim has been resoundly rejected by a number of legal experts as well as frontline workers and women's rights campaigners. With evidence of places where these proposals were enshrined in law and where it became clear that the legal protections women had, had in practice and sometimes in law been removed by enshrining self-id in law.

There's a part of me that wishes she would just own it. She's decided that there's a group worthier of protection than women and girls and that's that. It doesn't matter what anyone else says, she will do this and thereby elevate Scotland into the ranks of the few countries in the world that have enshrined the doctrine of gender identity in law by allowing self-determination of legal sex.

NewMutiny · 07/09/2021 18:42

If you change the meaning of the word 'women's self ID doesn't change 'women's' protections at all does it? It might change what was offered to the old meaning of 'women' but look into the eyes, not at the hands...

Mendacious cunts.

NewMutiny · 07/09/2021 18:45

@Wandawide

Bad Joke coming:- Well at least the English will be able to see how it works out. Scotland becomes a workshop for practical Woke.
And we all need to be clear that English, Northern Irish and Welsh men will be using this to self ID their way into women's spaces. This will not only apply to Scottish men.
Amortentia · 07/09/2021 18:52

It’s not just the SNP who supports this. Alex Cole Hamilton got up and said we should copy Ireland, they’ve had no problems at all according to him. 🙄

Childrenofthestones · 07/09/2021 19:03

Scotland is one of the few countries that we get to laugh at.

KittenKong · 07/09/2021 19:06

I had an Italian school mum friend when DS was little. She used to glumly say that she was so embarrassed by Berlusconi and the Italian gvt.

Then Trump came along and we used to commiserate with the American mums...

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littlbrowndog · 07/09/2021 19:10

Of all the things I have done as a teenager having a double mastectomy was never ever ever thought off

No one even thought of this

Imagine 10 years ago no one would off thought that girls would be having double mastectomy. And no one is blinking an eye

Not politicians not the media not the NHS

You can go on the radio and tell Scotland you are doing this and no one says. Oi hang on a minute. Why would chopping bits off your body make you feel better

It’s fucking unbelievable

littlbrowndog · 07/09/2021 19:12

Can’t even get a drink or a tattoo till your 18

Amortentia · 07/09/2021 19:20

@littlbrowndog

Of all the things I have done as a teenager having a double mastectomy was never ever ever thought off

No one even thought of this

Imagine 10 years ago no one would off thought that girls would be having double mastectomy. And no one is blinking an eye

Not politicians not the media not the NHS

You can go on the radio and tell Scotland you are doing this and no one says. Oi hang on a minute. Why would chopping bits off your body make you feel better

It’s fucking unbelievable

Actually I’d have jumped at the chance. But, I developed at 11 and had a tiny body and very large breasts. I spent most days feeling like I was under siege because I couldn’t get the bus to school without being harassed by men. I spent years despising my body because of the way men treated me. I feel desperately sad that this teen feels they have to resort to this to feel comfortable in their own body.
littlbrowndog · 07/09/2021 19:25

Because of men amortentia

But no one would have said yeah. Let’s give you a double mastectomy

littlbrowndog · 07/09/2021 19:25

And this

Scotland to go ahead with self-ID? In the name of the wee man...
midgemagneto · 07/09/2021 20:30

@littlbrowndog

Of all the things I have done as a teenager having a double mastectomy was never ever ever thought off

No one even thought of this

Imagine 10 years ago no one would off thought that girls would be having double mastectomy. And no one is blinking an eye

Not politicians not the media not the NHS

You can go on the radio and tell Scotland you are doing this and no one says. Oi hang on a minute. Why would chopping bits off your body make you feel better

It’s fucking unbelievable

I didn't know what it was called

I did have a razor blade for model making

KittenKong · 07/09/2021 20:31

I just don’t understand why they are doing this. I assume it’s financial or vote chasing.

So 3 months - your kid Freda could go off to uni in Scotland (and I stated uni at 17) from anywhere and come back at the end of the term Fred. Would this be even be seen as a legal state elsewhere? What does the law say?

Or is it only redefining ‘woman’

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Waitwhat23 · 07/09/2021 20:33

Someone on another thread said that they had suspicions that money and power is being traded in some way. Two years ago, I would have considered that a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Now? I'm not so sure.

334bu · 07/09/2021 20:36

Don't have to wait until you go to Uni. The age at which you can change sex on your birth certificate is 16. You can become a person of the opposite sex before you get your Highers.

dementedma · 07/09/2021 20:42

I wrote to all MSPs when the GRA was first mooted. Not one single one replied.

KittenKong · 07/09/2021 20:42

What a pile of utter (finish it yourself, I’m out of swears).

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OvaHere · 07/09/2021 20:43

@Waitwhat23

Someone on another thread said that they had suspicions that money and power is being traded in some way. Two years ago, I would have considered that a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Now? I'm not so sure.
Malcom Clark has done something interesting twitter threads on this very subject and how various countries have used it as cover for other things.
WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 07/09/2021 20:56

The SNP have always chased the youth vote. Risk takers. They even lowered the voting age in a hope of getting independence through
I think they are terrified of losing that vote. NS video apologising to trans was embarrassing. She was apologising for saying that a raped woman should be able to chose a same sex HCPShock

DdraigGoch · 07/09/2021 20:59

@KittenKong

Who exactly is she trying to appease. Because 13 year olds don’t have the vote.
Yet...
OvaHere · 07/09/2021 21:03

They're taking a gamble that tomorrow's adults won't be completely over this shit by then.

I can remember Cool Britannia and Tony Blair when they were really popular.

Rhannion · 07/09/2021 21:04

@KittenKong

The time has come for my brother, brother in law and male cousins to rediscover their inner lassie... and cause havoc and mischief.

My grandfather would have had a bloody field day and would have really enjoyed it all (he hated bullies, was very assertive and had a wicked sense of humour). I’m not sure what dad would have thought - probably bemused (he didn’t ‘do’ angry).

You are spot on, we need men to stand with us on this. It effects their mums, wives, sisters, daughters and grandchildren.
Rhannion · 07/09/2021 21:06

@Childrenofthestones

Scotland is one of the few countries that we get to laugh at.
I’m Scottish , we try to laugh but we are screaming inside.
littlbrowndog · 07/09/2021 21:19

Me too

Living in a country where drug deaths alcohol deaths can’t get a dentist educational gap between poor and rich is the way it is

Yet we have this wankery from sturgeon

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