Marion Millar on trial today

[ArabellaScott]

Solidarity to Marion and all the witches out to support her.

It's a bit of a disastrous comparator, though, in terms of one's argument being taken seriously.

Not, perhaps, in the refined circles that this Tweeter moves...I'm guessing here, of course.

There is a history. Teddy left SNP as it was unsafe transgender people

metro.co.uk/2021/02/08/i-dont-feel-the-snp-is-a-safe-space-for-trans-people-so-i-left-13989385/

In the past I would have considered many transwomen as simply men with an alternative lifestyle and an esoteric style of dress. Particularly around the Edinburgh Fringe. It wouldn't have occurred to me to that I was meant to think of them as women.

It seems to me to be a great shame that the concept of being eccentric, cheerfully tolerated and even sometime admired for their disdain for the conventions of society has been erased. Of course many eccentrics are unconcerned with issues relating to gender but between edicts to #bekind , be non-judgemental etc then the true eccentric doesn't even get to be celebrated any more.

Past eccentrics who may or may not have had gender issues include
Henry Paget, fifth Earl of Anglesey. He may or may not have been homosexual but I tend to agree with the assessment of him as a classic narcissist, unable to love anyone but himself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HenryPaget,,5thMarquesssof_Anglesey

The Reverend Robert Hawker reputedly liked to dress up as a mermaid and hated to wear black, choosing colourful clothes. Mourners at his funeral wore purple rather than his hated black.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RobertHawkerr_(poet)

I think in these don't look, don't stare, don't be judgemental times the true eccentric is wholly unvalidated and invisible. Hard times indeed.

Sorry for the derail

@Datun

The bar person hasn't repeated a single word that they allege was said. They haven't shown a single piece of evidence about any material.

I'm thinking, and this is only a hunch, that were they in possession of anything, anything at all, to back up their claims, they would produce it.

Probably.

In all likelihood.

Like they wouldn’t have pulled out a phone and recorded this outrageous behaviour and posted it online 🙄

MargaritaPie

Well, what can I say. If bars are going to be banning women for their beliefs, then they are going to be prosecuted for it. And the women need the evidence.

Interesting how the bar person asked the police not to come once they realised they were being filmed, though.

@MargaritaPie

twitter.com/FairHospitality/status/1432978182282661888

Just saw this on Twitter today. Another disturbance at a Scottish bar.

Apparently they were refused service because some of the group were far too drunk. Then they started swearing at the owner and recording them without permission (you can't do this on private property).

Police were called, but then the owner called them back to ask not to come out once the group left on their own accord. Then the owner found Gender Critical material had been left behind. The owner alleges her Twitter is now being bombarded.

I don’t believe they were ‘too drunk’ for one second. That was my haunt - there is no ‘too drunk’ in there.

And I’ve seen their writer account - there has been a handful of comments and a load more of wee numpties crying ‘you lot hate trans people😭’

*twitter

And even I was never thrown out of the horseshoe. And I was very naughty on occasion... thank god there wasn’t mobile phones back then

@MargaritaPie

twitter.com/FairHospitality/status/1432978182282661888

Just saw this on Twitter today. Another disturbance at a Scottish bar.

Apparently they were refused service because some of the group were far too drunk. Then they started swearing at the owner and recording them without permission (you can't do this on private property).

Police were called, but then the owner called them back to ask not to come out once the group left on their own accord. Then the owner found Gender Critical material had been left behind. The owner alleges her Twitter is now being bombarded.

In this case, if there is video evidence, I guess it will get posted won't it.

*"Well, what can I say. If bars are going to be banning women for their beliefs, then they are going to be prosecuted for it. And the women need the evidence.

Interesting how the bar person asked the police not to come once they realised they were being filmed, though."*

Bar staff have the right to refuse service to patrons who are too drunk and they aren't there to be sworn at. It's my understanding it's illegal to film someone without consent on their own private property.

And before you say "they were banned for having beliefs" it seems they were refused service for being drunk and disorderly and it was only after they left it was discovered they left GC stuff behind just like Marion's gang did.

Thrown out for being drunk and sweary... you haven’t been to a Glasgow bar then have you? You can only really get thrown out for wearing football colours on certain days.

Any why keep calling the group ‘Marino’s Gang’. They aren’t hells angels for gods sake. She isn’t a ringleader of some cult.

"Thrown out for being drunk and sweary... you haven’t been to a Glasgow bar then have you?"

If Glasgow bars really are as bad as you suggest then the group must have been really drunk and disorderly for the staff to tell them they've had too much and call the cops on them.

@MargaritaPie

"When Marion popped in to say hi to the other women, she was recognised by bar staff. She got one beer, popped to the loo and when she returned, she was stopped by bar staff who told her they knew who she was, and that she wasn't welcome. She was given half an hour to leave."

You missed out the part where she shouted at bar staff after they returned her (or her group's) campaigning material to her which they found in the bathroom.

And the bit where they picked up their broomsticks and flew round the pub trailing purple white and green smoke behind them whilst cackling loudly and turning the bar staff into frogs.

@MargaritaPie

*"Well, what can I say. If bars are going to be banning women for their beliefs, then they are going to be prosecuted for it. And the women need the evidence.

Interesting how the bar person asked the police not to come once they realised they were being filmed, though."*

Bar staff have the right to refuse service to patrons who are too drunk and they aren't there to be sworn at. It's my understanding it's illegal to film someone without consent on their own private property.

And before you say "they were banned for having beliefs" it seems they were refused service for being drunk and disorderly and it was only after they left it was discovered they left GC stuff behind just like Marion's gang did.

Of course. Bar staff have a lot of leeway, in order to expel people without recourse.

They obviously can't hide behind it in order to be discriminatory.

And in this instance it was all filmed, apparently. Pointless speculating, when I have no doubt the film will come to light at some point.

Good job on trawling through Twitter to update us, so we don't have to, though.

Cos I'm sure it's obvious now, even to you, that women won't wheest.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@MargaritaPie

"Where did you see that margarita. The shouting ?"

The owner's account of what happened.

He rang you from Hong Kong? You would think with a multibillion international portfolio to run he would have his mind elsewhere...

This is just so desperate. Can't find any solid incriminating evidence to prove Marion is the devil incarnate, so are now reduced to whinging about some women having drinks in a pub.

🥱

@MargaritaPie

"Thrown out for being drunk and sweary... you haven’t been to a Glasgow bar then have you?"

If Glasgow bars really are as bad as you suggest then the group must have been really drunk and disorderly for the staff to tell them they've had too much and call the cops on them.

You really are stretching quite hard to paint them as guilty as twitter charged aren’t you?

@MargaritaPie

*"Well, what can I say. If bars are going to be banning women for their beliefs, then they are going to be prosecuted for it. And the women need the evidence.

Interesting how the bar person asked the police not to come once they realised they were being filmed, though."*

Bar staff have the right to refuse service to patrons who are too drunk and they aren't there to be sworn at. It's my understanding it's illegal to film someone without consent on their own private property.

And before you say "they were banned for having beliefs" it seems they were refused service for being drunk and disorderly and it was only after they left it was discovered they left GC stuff behind just like Marion's gang did.

That's very much not what the women are saying happened though. Interesting that you don't even start off with an open mind.

And some of the women, btw, were speaking very coherently on Twitter giving their version of events after it had happened. Didn't come across as even slightly tipsy, so...

If Glasgow bars really are as bad as you suggest then the group must have been really drunk and disorderly for the staff to tell them they've had too much and call the cops on them.

Lol!

@MargaritaPie

twitter.com/FairHospitality/status/1432978182282661888

Just saw this on Twitter today. Another disturbance at a Scottish bar.

Apparently they were refused service because some of the group were far too drunk. Then they started swearing at the owner and recording them without permission (you can't do this on private property).

Police were called, but then the owner called them back to ask not to come out once the group left on their own accord. Then the owner found Gender Critical material had been left behind. The owner alleges her Twitter is now being bombarded.

Is there anybody who would consider this to be a proportionate response (comment from that thread which has a lot of assumptions)?

Going to a pub with intent to antagonise the staff and patrons needs to be recognised as an act of terrorism.

As for bombarding as per the owner's (?) account - can we establish a baseline for what that means in social media terms? Are there any nuances to account for the number of people who reply to a comment without editing down the number of people who can see a reply?

twitter.com/search?q=%40GlasgowShoe&src=typed_query

"Cos I'm sure it's obvious now, even to you, that women won't wheest."

I presume you mean "gender criticals", I've actually seen a lot of them be banned from Twitter. Twitter can make gender criticals who can't follow their rules "wheeshit"

@MargaritaPie

"Thrown out for being drunk and sweary... you haven’t been to a Glasgow bar then have you?"

If Glasgow bars really are as bad as you suggest then the group must have been really drunk and disorderly for the staff to tell them they've had too much and call the cops on them.

I hope you get some assistance for that very far reach you have just overstretched to do. It missed reality and went into another dimension.