Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

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LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen.

Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look?

The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though.

Unedifying, to say the least.

@Artichokeleaves

andrelax your kid is fine. It was another parent's beautiful, special, brave kid that the mob turned on.

Indeed. Bears repeating.

Well of course. Hurty feelings on behalf of trans trumps homophobia every time.

It's outrageous. My child matters too. As do all gay people. 😡

@Artichokeleaves

andrelax your kid is fine. It was another parent's beautiful, special, brave kid that the mob turned on.

💯

andrelax your kid is fine. It was another parent's beautiful, special, brave kid that the mob turned on.

Amen. And I noticed the poor bloke is a churchgoer too. He must have got it from all sides in his life

@Artichokeleaves

andrelax your kid is fine. It was another parent's beautiful, special, brave kid that the mob turned on.

Indeed, but that's okay, acceptable and celebrated.

I don't know how the people who do this, condone it, advocate for it, celebrate it and justify it can live with themselves, the cognitive dissonance must be overwhelming.

Everyone assuming we are raging homophobes is seriously demented

Nobody has to assume anything, the evidence is there in full view.

@Artichokeleaves

andrelax your kid is fine. It was another parent's beautiful, special, brave kid that the mob turned on.

and that is what true hatred looks like, sounds like and is.

@FloralBunting

Newsflash: Homosexuality is not inclusive.

No sexuality is inclusive. By its very nature, sexuality excludes. Lesbians and gay men are under no obligation whatsoever to include transactivists and their demands in our organizations or lives.

This needs to be said over and over again. There's some sort of hypnotic quality to the word 'inclusive'. Dictionary definitions are by their nature exclusive! If anything can mean anything, we can't communicate.

It's all baffling. It's like berating the RNLI for not including stranded mountaineers in the people they rescue, or the Battersea Dogs Home for not taking on retired racehorses.

I keep reading that username as andrex.

I need an eye test.

Yes! In some places 'inclusive' is becoming the most hateful word of all!

You cannot scrap them from the title, they are as much part of the title as the LG and B.

Never understood this, really. How are trans people affiliated with lesbians, gay men or bisexuals? Is 'trans' a sexuality?

I mean, if it is a sexuality, then fine. That makes sense.

If it's an identity, like, I don't know - religious affiliation? social grouping? What other kinds of 'identity' are there? - then it has not really got anything to do with people who are organising for people with homosexual or bisexual sexualities, does it?

Ok for those accusing me of being a bot, "plop"ping and running, refusing to highlight the hate etc. Seriously just read back through the replies to my comments. There's your hate
I don't expect anything from anyone. Contrary to all your assumptions I am getting my child help from "real people".
Your assertions that there is support and help oozing from all corners of society is misplaced. The waiting list for the Gender Identity Clinics is currently 3 years. Suicide rates amongst Trans people is through the roof. My child gets so distressed it's hard to watch. I don't want your sympathy. I just was shocked reading so many of the snide and dismissive remarks about Trans people, I just wanted to say it was a shame, that's all

I am not homophobic and although I can't"prove it" as someone demanded. I will say that literally half my family are gay and I went on my first gay rights march at the age of 14 in the '70's. I also worked for decades in dance and theatre and would have had a very lonely experience if I was homophobic in any way. But no doubt I will now be accused of saying "some of my best friends..." etc.

I suppose I am naive and don't understand why people who have already gone through the struggle for rights and equality, wouldn't want to stand alongside those who are a few decades behind them. But you all have your reasons. And why an organisation like LGB Alliance would tweet something that lumped Trans people in with bestiality is beyond me. But there we are.

I really will bow out now because I will get nowhere that's plain.

Now you can tear apart everything I've said to your heart's content.

@andrelax

I have read the thread. It's not a stock template. I was talking from the heart. Hatred for Trans people runs through so many of the comments and that's what prompted my post. If you can't see that things are worse than I thought.

@andrelax

Can you explain to me what the connection is between men and women who are same sex attracted, and men and women who don't feel happy in their own body and want to chemically and surgically alter it to seem like they are the opposite sex?

I don't see what someone's sexual orientation as to do with someone's feelings of being trans.

That's why LGB and T are not connected.

It doesn't mean that either of these groups aren't "valid". Gay men and lesbian women also have cause to fight for different things because they face different issues in life.

Why is this a problem? Why does the T so badly want to latch on to the LGB?

This whole debacle is utterly perplexing to me.

The video showed a man (gay man, straight man, whatever) being shouted at by gay men and women at a Pride march because he was wearing the logo of a controversial group. He was told that he was not welcome because of his views, and was subjected to a shout of "trans lives matter". None of them touched him.

On Twitter, people have contorted this into "mostly straight people have homophobically assaulted a gay man at Pride, because he is gay".

As a gay man – how on earth did the former come from the latter? It is totally contradictory to the evidence I have seen.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Yes! In some places 'inclusive' is becoming the most hateful word of all!

The taliban are using it…nit sure thats a good sign

Why is this a problem? Why does the T so badly want to latch on to the LGB?

This. Both are valid. Both deserve to be safe and protected. But for two groups that have very different needs, why do they need to be pushed together?

Suicide rates amongst Trans people is through the roof
Any statistics bearing this out?

I've been wasting time on the internet for over 20 years and one of the things that's been quite an eye-opener is seeing more and more clearly every year just how many people live in the moment and have no grasp of history at all, or of the value of knowing about things that happened in the past. They write off old films, books, historic monuments etc as boring and irrelevant because they are old. (People too, unfortunately.)

They often seem not to grasp that many other people do remember things that happened a while back, and in what order, and regard it as important to get this stuff right.

Hand in hand with this goes an inability to grasp that the way things are now is not the way things are always going to be.

So it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that for these people LGBTQ+ is set in stone. The fact that UK Stonewall was for LGB people only until 2015 - six years ago! just six years ago - has totally passed them by. They have swallowed whole the revisionist history of the Stonewall riots in NY promulgated by gender activists, and fully believe that trans people led the way and graciously allowed LGB people to benefit from their campaigning. This is all what they want to believe, so that's how things must have been.

Suicide rates amongst Trans people is through the roof.

No, they aren’t. I hope that makes you feel better. One small survey has been used cynically to spread this idea.

I suppose I am naive and don't understand why people who have already gone through the struggle for rights and equality, wouldn't want to stand alongside those who are a few decades behind them.

Stand beside yes (as much as any other human). Accept a redefinition of sexuality that refuses to acknowledge same sex attraction, no.

There were dismissive remarks about somebody who ids as trans on this thread, but because the identity seems to fluctuate and allow him to identify and present as male most (all?) of the time.

Your child certainly won’t get referred to a gender identity clinic in a world where ‘trans’ is just a label to be picked up and cast off like a fashion label, but that is the current direction of progress.

The waiting list for the Gender Identity Clinics is currently 3 years. Suicide rates amongst Trans people is through the roof.

I'm hoping I can offer you some reassurance here. The trans lobby seem to weaponise suicide for reasons of their own. GIDS themselves say "suicide is extremely rare."

gids.nhs.uk/evidence-base

This irresponsible scaremongering from the trans lobby about suicide is appalling.

@JustPassingThrough3

This whole debacle is utterly perplexing to me.

The video showed a man (gay man, straight man, whatever) being shouted at by gay men and women at a Pride march because he was wearing the logo of a controversial group. He was told that he was not welcome because of his views, and was subjected to a shout of "trans lives matter". None of them touched him.

On Twitter, people have contorted this into "mostly straight people have homophobically assaulted a gay man at Pride, because he is gay".

As a gay man – how on earth did the former come from the latter? It is totally contradictory to the evidence I have seen.

You think a charity supporting gay, lesbian and bisexual people is controversial? In 2021? Why?

I suppose I am naive and don't understand why people who have already gone through the struggle for rights and equality, wouldn't want to stand alongside those who are a few decades behind them

Stand alongside you say, but that's not what is being asked for is it? The demand is that Trans is placed front and centre and included in everything even that which does not include them because it can't.

I know you won't answer this but I'm going to ask anyway - what rights and equality do trans people NOT have?

But you all have your reasons. And why an organisation like LGB Alliance would tweet something that lumped Trans people in with bestiality is beyond me. But there we are.

Wilful misinterpretation of that tweet, what a surprise.

You claim not to be homophobic yet cannot bring yourself to condemn the assault on a gay man.

So it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that for these people LGBTQ+ is set in stone. The fact that UK Stonewall was for LGB people only until 2015 - six years ago! just six years ago - has totally passed them by. They have swallowed whole the revisionist history of the Stonewall riots in NY promulgated by gender activists, and fully believe that trans people led the way and graciously allowed LGB people to benefit from their campaigning. This is all what they want to believe, so that's how things must have been.

Twitter in particular is like that incinerating machine in 1984.

@Giraffe19856

Marsha P Johnson wasnt bloody trans.

I cant bear this transwashing of history.

Exactly. Marsha P. Johnson says, in his own words: and by his own account was not even present at Stonewall until .